Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl
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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Postwhat's not to like?
My feelings were encapsulated in what one FoR3 supporter wrote:
"Some thirty years ago my musical taste in the sixth form and at university was formed by listening to R3 (and its predecessor) in the evenings. I am convinced that a lifetime of pleasure would have been denied me if I had not had that opportunity. I am equally convinced that that opportunity has now been witheld from my sons who are just entering that same critical stage of their development."
Here today, gone tomorrow entertainment.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostFor many, it would seem, the whole concept .........
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI think the only answer must be that different people want different things from their radio listening. I wouldn't say there was anything indisputably wrong with that sequence, but it doesn't provide what I want to listen to. That's all right: I don't have to listen. But I do have a nostalgia for the time when Radio 3 offered a more intellectually elevating programme.
My feelings were encapsulated in what one FoR3 supporter wrote:
"Some thirty years ago my musical taste in the sixth form and at university was formed by listening to R3 (and its predecessor) in the evenings. I am convinced that a lifetime of pleasure would have been denied me if I had not had that opportunity. I am equally convinced that that opportunity has now been witheld from my sons who are just entering that same critical stage of their development."
Here today, gone tomorrow entertainment.
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View PostI'm not the greatest fan of the 'Sounds Of the Earth' sequence on Sunday's 'Breakfast', but today's was truly magical - waves crashing onto a Norfolk beach, Roderick Williams singing 'Sea Fever', Charles Trenet singing 'La Mer' and an extract from Frank Bridge's 'The Sea' - what's not to like? I think Martin Handley is also to be commended for taking time to express so powerfully his obvious concern for locked-down and isolating choirs."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI think the only answer must be that different people want different things from their radio listening. I wouldn't say there was anything indisputably wrong with that sequence, but it doesn't provide what I want to listen to. That's all right: I don't have to listen. But I do have a nostalgia for the time when Radio 3 offered a more intellectually elevating programme.
My feelings were encapsulated in what one FoR3 supporter wrote:
"Some thirty years ago my musical taste in the sixth form and at university was formed by listening to R3 (and its predecessor) in the evenings. I am convinced that a lifetime of pleasure would have been denied me if I had not had that opportunity. I am equally convinced that that opportunity has now been witheld from my sons who are just entering that same critical stage of their development."
Here today, gone tomorrow entertainment.
I think R3 does try to fulfill a role as a trusted guide, it just falls well short of how it might be done. And actually, I suspect that for the curious sixth former, they offer a good deal of what needs to be offered in terms of widening horizons. It’s important to see things from their persoective, with only a few years of listening behind them , and not many decades.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostYes agreed but I think it’s fair to say that , for example , a Words and Music on the Sea would offer a sense of intellectual challenge - if only in trying to guess the literary extracts. As for this morning’s sequence and Trenet’s La Mer if I hear the Tin Pan Alley chord sequence 1 - 6 - 2 -5 ( or if you prefer F - Dm7-Gm7-C7 ) again I think I will go mad.....(And then he KEEPS shoving it up a key) . Please Charles get a new chord sequence...
* I don't faint, scream or turn the radio off in disgust if they play Bobbie Darin's version.
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View PostTo be sure, I don't know what that's all about, but I do know that it's bit late (sic) for M. Trenet (1913-2001) to revisit his classic recording*. I find his upward key shift almost as exciting as what Mr Logan does at the end of 'What's Another Year?', but I'm not musically trained and, what's worse, Irish and therefore inevitably emotional in my response to some songs and performances. Is it bad to shift things up a key? As for intellectual challenges, I'm happy to wait until Monday nights when I can attempt the odd answer in 'Only Connect' while pretending I don't have any good reason to envy Victoria Coren Mitchell.
* I don't faint, scream or turn the radio off in disgust if they play Bobbie Darin's version.
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostYes agreed but I think it’s fair to say that , for example , a Words and Music on the Sea would offer a sense of intellectual challenge - if only in trying to guess the literary extracts. As for this morning’s sequence and Trenet’s La Mer if I hear the Tin Pan Alley chord sequence 1 - 6 - 2 -5 ( or if you prefer F - Dm7-Gm7-C7 ) again I think I will go mad.....(And then he KEEPS shoving it up a key) . Please Charles get a new chord sequence...
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View PostI'm not the greatest fan of the 'Sounds Of the Earth' sequence on Sunday's 'Breakfast', but today's was truly magical - waves crashing onto a Norfolk beach, Roderick Williams singing 'Sea Fever', Charles Trenet singing 'La Mer' and an extract from Frank Bridge's 'The Sea' - what's not to like? I think Martin Handley is also to be commended for taking time to express so powerfully his obvious concern for locked-down and isolating choirs.
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostYes, Heldenlben, but no - sometimes things left simple work and it is a good tune - admittedly I prefer Debussy’s work bearing the same title, but there is room for both in this diverse universe.
I listen a lot and it’s on a lot - too much In fact . I like the song and I like Trenet but aren’t there other chansons about La Mer .... ?.
Same goes for Scheherazade- on at least twice last week...
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostI think R3 does try to fulfill a role as a trusted guide, it just falls well short of how it might be done. And actually, I suspect that for the curious sixth former, they offer a good deal of what needs to be offered in terms of widening horizons. It’s important to see things from their persoective, with only a few years of listening behind them , and not many decades.
From which, three things: maybe it does provide what 'newbie' listeners need to get on the first rung of the ladder in discovering what classical music has to offer. But maybe it doesn't provide enough incentive, inspiration or lead to encourage anyone to climb further. And, then, maybe, people are quite happy to remain on the bottom rung, now and again hearing something new that they like, passing the morning agreeably with Breakfast and Essential Classics?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostI think the playing of La Mer (Trenet) on pre 12.00 R3 programmes has become a bit of a lazy producer’s selection . “We’re doing a bit on the Sea ...Oh Let’s have La Mer . “
I listen a lot and it’s on a lot - too much In fact . I like the song and I like Trenet but aren’t there other chansons about La Mer .... ?.
Same goes for Scheherazade- on at least twice last week...
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Originally posted by cloughie View Post
Filmed the Polperro Fisherman’s choir once in the 90’s - only had two fishermen in it ....
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First - an apology!
Johnny's 1996 Eurovision winner was, of course, 'What's Another Year?'. It's difficult to keep track when you've won the competition as many times we have. At one time it was suggested in these parts that the rest of Europe was trying to bankrupt us by forcing us to keep organise the event so often.
Do you not think that, for a fair number of people, several of whom contact the programme, without being prompted, to express their interest and gratitude, remaining on the bottom rung, as you put it, passing the morning agreeably by listening to the Breakfast programme cheers them up and even gives them the confidence (I would go so far as to say, for some, even the courage), to face the remainder of yet another day of personal hardship or loneliness, grim headlines and statistics? The chances are that at least some might follow my example and climb a little way up the ladder. My recent discovery of Lunchtime Concerts suggest it's possible!
As for alternative 'sea pieces', perhaps one of Grace Williams's 'Sea Sketches' might prove of interest.
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