The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[underthecountertenor]

It is indeed slightly less bad than it was. Or have we become so accustomed to the programme’s sink level, that the perpetrators have succeeded in assimilating us into the Borg, accepting constant texts/tweets/emails from people who care more about having their name read out than they do about the music (or other listeners)?

'It is indeed slightly less bad than it was' really is the epitome of grudging.

[LMcD]

'It is indeed slightly less bad than it was' really is the epitome of grudging.

Hear! Hear!

[Kernow Malc]

'Less bad' sums it up. Meanwhile the disease is spreading to other programmes.

[Stanfordian]

'It is indeed slightly less bad than it was' really is the epitome of grudging.

We are meant to feel grateful, that it still exists.

[antongould]

I post again these words of infinite wisdom on the latest Rajars .... “Although, year-on-year, there was an increase of 120k Weekly Listeners on Average (WLoA), from ‘low’ to ‘lowish average’, most of that increase is accounted for by a mammoth rise in Breakfast listening – up by 107k WLoA (636k to 743k). Were those ‘additional’ – unlikely to be all new-to R3 – listeners only listening to Breakfast, or perhaps to a bit of Breakfast and a bit of Essential Classics? Or were they listening to a wide range of programmes, from Composer of the Week, the lunchtime and evening concerts, The New Music Show? We don’t know.

What we do know is that the average time spent listening also went up year-on-year – from 6 hours per week to 6.5 hours per listener. That is the equivalent of every listener (i.e. all of the 2m+) listening to Breakfast for an extra 6 minutes per day, Monday-Friday.

“Statistically, the idea that all Radio 3 listeners:- a) listen to Breakfast in the first place and b) that every one of them increased their Breakfast listening to the programme by that 6 minutes is a non-starter as an explanation. What does seem a reasonable hypothesis is to link/connect the three significant leaps this quarter: station reach (up by 120k) + Breakfast reach (up by 107k) + average listening (up by 30 mins per week). So 2 ½ hours of Breakfast, followed by 3 hours of Essential Classics provide ample and convenient space for an extra slab of listening per day and seem more likely to have occurred than that a large chunk of the 107k listeners tuned in purely to hear 30 mins of This Classical Life or Classical Fix.”

If the new format is, as seems possible, bringing new listeners to R3 can that be such a bad thing ..... ?????

[Sir Velo]

'It is indeed slightly less bad than it was' really is the epitome of grudging.

If I look at yesterday's playlist, we had the second movement of Beethoven 5, immediately followed by a medley of an Hungarian Dance, a Cole Porter song and The Ride of the Valkyries.

Later I see that Le Corsaire was succeeded by that summit of human achievement Chicken on a Raft.

'nuff said, I think.

[Stanfordian]

If I look at yesterday's playlist, we had the second movement of Beethoven 5, immediately followed by a medley of an Hungarian Dance, a Cole Porter song and The Ride of the Valkyries.

Later I see that Le Corsaire was succeeded by that summit of human achievement Chicken on a Raft.

'nuff said, I think.

That must be the pleasant surprise mentioned earlier.

[vinteuil]

If I look at yesterday's playlist, we had the second movement of Beethoven 5, immediately followed by a medley of an Hungarian Dance, a Cole Porter song and The Ride of the Valkyries.

Later I see that Le Corsaire was succeeded by that summit of human achievement Chicken on a Raft.

'nuff said, I think.

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... ah, but today we had Eric Coates' Television March - and Arthur Askey in The Bee Song.


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[Sir Velo]

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... ah, but today we had Eric Coates' Television March - and Arthur Askey in The Bee Song.


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[Stanfordian]

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... ah, but today we had Eric Coates' Television March - and Arthur Askey in The Bee Song.

Aka: Dog's Breakfast!

[Serial_Apologist]

Aka: Dog's Breakfast!

No Stan, just the Bee side.

[Stanfordian]

Have the BBC mentioned anything today about the Placido Domingo who is in the news today?

Article in today's Guardian and other news channels.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/aug/13/placido-domingo-accused-sexual-harassment

[underthecountertenor]

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... ah, but today we had Eric Coates' Television March - and Arthur Askey in The Bee Song.


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Dear oh dear. How predictable. How did I guess that your attention would be drawn to The Bee Song (all 3 minutes or so of it) and the Coates (which is hardly overplayed, and is light classical music), and that you would choose to ignore the following as not suiting your purpose:

Josquin Ave Maria
Chopin Nocturne Op 9 No 2 played by Pires
Beethoven Op 59 No. 2 second movement
Bach Jauchzet Gott with Elly Ameling and Maurice André
Schubert Rosamunde Ballet
Rachmaninov Hymn of the Cherubim
Scriabin Nocturne Op 9 No 2 for left hand
Arnold Three Shanties
Vivaldi Concerto for 2 Horns
Dvorak American Quartet (3rd Movt)
Alkan Aesop's Feast
Walton Partita for Orchestra (1st movt)
Haydn Piano Trio Hob XV:24
Balbastre Marche des Marseillois et L'Air Ça Ira
Weinberg Concertino for Violin and Strings (3rd movt)
Duke Ellington Something (Goutelas Suite)
Saariaho Überzeugung
Sibelius song Give Me No Splendour
Debussy L'Isle Joyeuse
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All, as I recall, presented with background information on the composer/music/performer.

it seems that some people hereabouts set their faces squarely against giving any credit where it is due.

Mind you, 'twas ever thus.

[underthecountertenor]

I post again these words of infinite wisdom on the latest Rajars .... “Although, year-on-year, there was an increase of 120k Weekly Listeners on Average (WLoA), from ‘low’ to ‘lowish average’, most of that increase is accounted for by a mammoth rise in Breakfast listening – up by 107k WLoA (636k to 743k). Were those ‘additional’ – unlikely to be all new-to R3 – listeners only listening to Breakfast, or perhaps to a bit of Breakfast and a bit of Essential Classics? Or were they listening to a wide range of programmes, from Composer of the Week, the lunchtime and evening concerts, The New Music Show? We don’t know.

What we do know is that the average time spent listening also went up year-on-year – from 6 hours per week to 6.5 hours per listener. That is the equivalent of every listener (i.e. all of the 2m+) listening to Breakfast for an extra 6 minutes per day, Monday-Friday.

“Statistically, the idea that all Radio 3 listeners:- a) listen to Breakfast in the first place and b) that every one of them increased their Breakfast listening to the programme by that 6 minutes is a non-starter as an explanation. What does seem a reasonable hypothesis is to link/connect the three significant leaps this quarter: station reach (up by 120k) + Breakfast reach (up by 107k) + average listening (up by 30 mins per week). So 2 ½ hours of Breakfast, followed by 3 hours of Essential Classics provide ample and convenient space for an extra slab of listening per day and seem more likely to have occurred than that a large chunk of the 107k listeners tuned in purely to hear 30 mins of This Classical Life or Classical Fix.”

If the new format is, as seems possible, bringing new listeners to R3 can that be such a bad thing ..... ?????

Quite so, antongould. But don't expect the naysayers to be convinced.

[vinteuil]

it seems that some people hereabouts set their faces squarely against giving any credit where it is due.

... to give credit where it is due - I did notice that they played a Complete Haydn Trio - AND - that it was not the b****y gipsy one.

So, yes, I shd like to thank them for that.

Tho' it wd have been even nicer if they cd have given us a HIPP rendition with an appropriate piano....




... and I liked the Alkan, the Balbastre, the Chopin, and the Schubert.

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