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  • rauschwerk
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1480

    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
    Concerti Armonici - are they by Pergolesi, Wassenauer or Ricciotti?
    Who cares apart from musicologists? They are damn good pieces which give much pleasure.

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    • cloughie
      Full Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 22114

      Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
      Who cares apart from musicologists? They are damn good pieces which give much pleasure.
      Spot on and don’t tell the hipp crowd, but I Musici or ASMF Marriner do them beautifully!

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      • underthecountertenor
        Full Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1584

        Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
        Read the Wikipedia article on 'La fille mal gardee' more carefully and I think you will find that the main motif of the Clog Dance music was indeed written by one Peter Ludwig Hertel. John Lanchbery fashioned it into the piece we know today. Hérold was only one of the composers featured in that famous Ashton/Royal Ballet production and he had nothing to do with that number.
        Mea maxima culpa.

        The iPlayer listed it as by Hérold, but I should know better than to trust that as a resource (see the occasions when Dame Ethel Smyth has been depicted as Ethel Smith the Hammond organ queen).

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
          Who cares apart from musicologists? They are damn good pieces which give much pleasure.
          So surely the correct composer should receive the credit? Shouldn't everyone care, if only for the sake of basic fairness?
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22114

            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            So surely the correct composer should receive the credit? Shouldn't everyone care, if only for the sake of basic fairness?
            Well yes, but it seems there were a lot of folk singers in the past called Trad!

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
              Well yes, but it seems there were a lot of folk singers in the past called Trad!
              Indeed - but their work isn't attributed to somebody else! Credit where credit's due, I say.
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22114

                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                Indeed - but their work isn't attributed to somebody else! Credit where credit's due, I say.
                Anon?

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  Anon?
                  Who's making a name for herself.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    Anon?
                    That isn't "somebody else" - it's "we don't know".
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37589

                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      That isn't "somebody else" - it's "we don't know".
                      Oh, I always thought it was someone who just went on, anon, anon, anon - rather like me!

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                      • oddoneout
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 9141

                        When I switched the radio on this morning I had to double check the clock as what I was hearing sounded just like SK - over-enunciating schoolmarm.
                        It would be such a shame if GM becomes an SK clone. Mistakes I can live with - if only because some of them at least I don't realise are mistakes, higgorant soul that I am(ideal am schedule fodder see...)- but not the voice delivery and apparent disdain for the listener.

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20570

                          Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                          When I switched the radio on this morning I had to double check the clock as what I was hearing sounded just like SK - over-enunciating schoolmarm.
                          It would be such a shame if GM becomes an SK clone. Mistakes I can live with - if only because some of them at least I don't realise are mistakes, higgorant soul that I am(ideal am schedule fodder see...)- but not the voice delivery and apparent disdain for the listener.
                          How can you confuse the two? True, they both have the BBC attitude problem (to very different degrees), but Suzy has a pronounced estuary accent, whereas Georgia is more RP.

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                          • Paulie55
                            Full Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 87

                            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                            When I switched the radio on this morning I had to double check the clock as what I was hearing sounded just like SK - over-enunciating schoolmarm.
                            It would be such a shame if GM becomes an SK clone. Mistakes I can live with - if only because some of them at least I don't realise are mistakes, higgorant soul that I am(ideal am schedule fodder see...)- but not the voice delivery and apparent disdain for the listener.
                            Conversely, when I switched on Radio 3in the car on the way to work, did my ears deceive me when GM announced we were now going to hear Chabrier's Espna arranged by Ravel? Afterwards, instead of correcting the error, she said we didn't actually hear Ravel's version. Am I missing something here?

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                            • Stanfordian
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9308

                              Originally posted by Paulie55 View Post
                              Conversely, when I switched on Radio 3in the car on the way to work, did my ears deceive me when GM announced we were now going to hear Chabrier's Espna arranged by Ravel? Afterwards, instead of correcting the error, she said we didn't actually hear Ravel's version. Am I missing something here?
                              This is lack of really basic knowledge. It seems to me the main quality one needs to be R3 presenter these days is confidence.

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                              • Pulcinella
                                Host
                                • Feb 2014
                                • 10884

                                Originally posted by Paulie55 View Post
                                Conversely, when I switched on Radio 3in the car on the way to work, did my ears deceive me when GM announced we were now going to hear Chabrier's Espna arranged by Ravel? Afterwards, instead of correcting the error, she said we didn't actually hear Ravel's version. Am I missing something here?
                                Maybe tomorrow we'll get Chabrier's orchestration of Ravel’s Rapsodie espagnole.

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