The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

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  • underthecountertenor
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    • Apr 2011
    • 1584

    Or, as the Palone Ranger had it on Round the Horne, 'Hi Ho Sylvia!'

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    • antongould
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      • Nov 2010
      • 8774

      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
      Is Breakfast now sponsored by the Daily Mail ? Sounds like it judging by the people who ring and email and text in !
      Can we give an honourable mention to the early text asking for John Foulds's April - England?
      Last edited by antongould; 30-04-12, 18:53.

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      • Barbirollians
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        • Nov 2010
        • 11663

        How long is Breakfast on for ? 2 hours ?

        How about a Vivaldi Concerto for the Viola d'Amore, some Handel arias, a Mozart Flute Quartet , Bartok Two Rhapsodies for violin and the Rubinstein Fourth Piano Concerto with Cherkassky .

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        • antongould
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          • Nov 2010
          • 8774

          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
          How long is Breakfast on for ? 2 hours ?

          How about a Vivaldi Concerto for the Viola d'Amore, some Handel arias, a Mozart Flute Quartet , Bartok Two Rhapsodies for violin and the Rubinstein Fourth Piano Concerto with Cherkassky .
          I shall add these to the April suggestions for Breakfast's playlist.

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          • rauschwerk
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1480

            What happened this morning was, I suppose, typical. After Now is the Month of Maying they asked anyone who knew the meaning of 'barley-break' to text them. The answer can readily be found in Wikipedia, though I got it from the notes in the S&B edition of Morley's Canzonets of 1597. They didn't read my text out. This suggests that they think the right answer is (a) boring, and (b) can be found on Wikipedia by 100% of listeners. What a silly game. It's the first time I have texted Breakfast, and it will certainly be the last.

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            • JFLL
              Full Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 780

              Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
              It's the first time I have texted Breakfast, and it will certainly be the last.
              For gawd's sake don't encourage the b*ggers!

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              • rauschwerk
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1480

                Originally posted by Suffolkcoastal View Post
                Somebody from the Aaron Copland Fund/Foundation needs to intervene and complain to the BBC before this important composer's reputation is totally ruined by R3, by continually just playing the same unrepresentative piece.
                Yes indeed. It's that kind of thing which probably gave rise to the letter in the current RT which says, "Copland is lauded for his use of the American vernacular music tradition, but I suspect that John Fahey's legacy will prove greater." If R3 ever played any of (say) Copland's major piano works, the writer of that letter might have become aware that Copland is to be lauded for a great deal more than he suggests.

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30210

                  Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                  It's that kind of thing which probably gave rise to the letter in the current RT
                  That'll be the one arguing that Radio 3 should diversify by playing Ry Cooder and Bob Dylan rather than some of these forgettable classical nonetities?
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Panjandrum

                    Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                    What happened this morning was, I suppose, typical. After Now is the Month of Maying they asked anyone who knew the meaning of 'barley-break' to text them. The answer can readily be found in Wikipedia, though I got it from the notes in the S&B edition of Morley's Canzonets of 1597. They didn't read my text out. This suggests that they think the right answer is (a) boring, and (b) can be found on Wikipedia by 100% of listeners. What a silly game. It's the first time I have texted Breakfast, and it will certainly be the last.
                    I doubt they thought the answer boring due to the sexual subtext (ooh er missus). I would have assumed that they already knew the answer and were just looking for an excuse for more listener interaction or, more likely, they just got inundated with texts from people who'd looked it up on wiki. I wouldn't take it as a personal slight.

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                    • rauschwerk
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1480

                      Originally posted by Panjandrum View Post
                      I wouldn't take it as a personal slight.
                      No worries there, I assure you.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30210

                        I think it shows how people in the end get sucked in (or should it be 'down into'?) these things. You complain about the celebrities, phone-ins or trivial questions until something comes up which grabs your attention. It's like any programme or programme content - there is always an audience for it. That's why they know that Breakfast and Essential Classics will work: they just have to reach that audience and pull it in.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22110

                          Originally posted by antongould View Post
                          Can we give an honourable mention to the early text asking for John Foulds's April - England?
                          Must have been April Fould's Day!

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26516

                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            Must have been April Fould's Day!
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22110

                              Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                              Yes indeed. It's that kind of thing which probably gave rise to the letter in the current RT which says, "Copland is lauded for his use of the American vernacular music tradition, but I suspect that John Fahey's legacy will prove greater." If R3 ever played any of (say) Copland's major piano works, the writer of that letter might have become aware that Copland is to be lauded for a great deal more than he suggests.
                              So much so that I needed to check wiki to remind me who John Fahey was. Now I think about it I seem to remember John Peel playing the odd track in the sixties. Now, Aaron Copland, remind me, wasn't he the guy who wrote something about Billy the Kid or was that Bob Dylan. They both did - which is more memorable?

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                              • Suffolkcoastal
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3290

                                Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                                Yes indeed. It's that kind of thing which probably gave rise to the letter in the current RT which says, "Copland is lauded for his use of the American vernacular music tradition, but I suspect that John Fahey's legacy will prove greater." If R3 ever played any of (say) Copland's major piano works, the writer of that letter might have become aware that Copland is to be lauded for a great deal more than he suggests.
                                That reminds me of a letter that RT published back in 1985 about the lack of Ferde Grofe's music in the 1985 American themed Proms (actually I would hardly have called it American themed as there wasn't that much American music). I wrote back (I was only 20) to say that I could think of at least 50 American composers whose music should have been included in that proms ahead of anything by Grofe, needless to say my reply wasn't published.

                                Isn't the website, especially the playlists a shocking mess at the moment. RW should for once concentrate on basic website presentation skills and stop asking for survey's to completed by website users as he clearly takes no notice of them.

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