The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[LMcD]

Inclusive of what? Everything the BBC broadcasts inclusive of everyone? Like a Radio 1 inclusive of everyone of all ages? Radio 1Xtra/the Asian Network inclusive of everyone of all ages and races? The point is that that however you describe what Radio 3 is doing, 'inclusive' is what it's not.

'Inclusive' perhaps in the sense that the broadcaster and listener are jointly enjoying what's on offer? If the end is to continue to attract more listeners, and the numbers remain healthy, the easier it will be for the powers-that-be to argue that they've chosen the correct means.

[french frank]

'Inclusive' perhaps in the sense that the broadcaster and listener are jointly enjoying what's on offer?

That reminds me of those morning discussion programmes on R4 with about six guests in the studio talking excitedly over each other and obviously enjoying themselves hugely with their chums. Depressingly unlistenable.

[LMcD]

At least they're not trying to be too 'inclusive' in the audience-building sense!.

[kernelbogey]

I think relatable might be a better term - the idea that the person you are listening to is not that dissimilar to you in terms of their lives and concerns - rather than some distant (possibly alienating) other(like the music), a misperception from which R3 suffers.

A friend used to describe the old Third/early R3 presenter style as a man in a darkened room with a pile of LPs. I used to add mentally a dinner jacket and black tie - as in the days of Reith....

[smittims]

Sadly, FF , there's still plenty of that on BBC Radio4 . Try 'Broadcasting House' 9 am. Sundays, for a group of chums laughing at one anothers' in-jokes. 'Woman's Hour' can be worse on Fridays, with the interviewer laughing so much that we can't hear the interviewee's response to the question.

Then there's the compulsory enjoyment. A burst of Pop racket is followed with 'Wasn't that just divine? I bet that had you dancing round the room!'

[cloughie]

A friend used to describe the old Third/early R3 presenter style as a man in a darkened room with a pile of LPs. I used to add mentally a dinner jacket and black tie - as in the days of Reith....

I’m sure Patricia Hughes would have been less than impressed!

[AuntDaisy]

I’m sure Patricia Hughes would have been less than impressed!

Or possibly in a nightie / negligee? She's much missed, such a beautiful voice.

The BBC website had an obituary article that ends:

In Simon Elmes' book, Hello Again: Nine Decades of Radio Voices, Hughes described how she used to spend nights in the radio announcers' dormitory - in a building which has since been converted into the Langham Hotel - and recalled one particularly memorable broadcast.
She told the author:
"By the mercy of God I'd remembered to take a diaphanous negligee to put over my nightie, which I didn't normally do. I rushed down the stairs, tore across Portland Place into Broadcasting House and luckily with about three or four minutes to spare, got into the studio, very breathless. I read the news at nine. Then, at 10, I realised with appalling clarity that I was still in my nightdress, hair in all directions looking like nothing on earth."

Photo from the Grauniad

[french frank]

She was mainly an announcer rather than a presenter, but from wiki:

"[W]hen she began presenting the Monday Lunchtime Concerts from St John's, Smith Square in Westminster, London, [u]nder the insistence of Radio 3 controller Ian McIntyre, who objected to her "cut-glass tones", she was forced to retire from the BBC staff in 1983, on reaching the then statutory retirement age of 60."

[AuntDaisy]

She was mainly an announcer rather than a presenter, but from wiki:

"[W]hen she began presenting the Monday Lunchtime Concerts from St John's, Smith Square in Westminster, London, [u]nder the insistence of Radio 3 controller Ian McIntyre, who objected to her "cut-glass tones", she was forced to retire from the BBC staff in 1983, on reaching the then statutory retirement age of 60."

You're right, but she also did poetry & prose fillers and presented the Proms (e.g. 1978 Glagolitic Mass)...

"The Envy of the World", page 276:

Perhaps most memorable was Patricia Hughes's performance, in the character of a garrulous Victorian dame, of some late nineteenth-century monologues, Mrs Caudle's Curtain Lectures.
'What I wanted to do was to go on the stage,' she says, looking back at her early years. 'That was the thing I always longed for.' These readings (and the recordings she has made since retirement from the BBC of books on cassette) show what an outstanding actress was concealed in her Radio 3 microphone personality.

[kernelbogey]

That was /used to be what faintly annoyed me: the suspicion that a work on one programme was chosen in order to provide an opportunity to trail another one....

That seemed what was going on this morning with the Latvian Radio Choir (Silvestrov: To Thee We Sing) followed by a trail for their concert on R3 at 1930.

Does this matter? I'm not sure at all....

[LMcD]

That seemed what was going on this morning with the Latvian Radio Choir (Silvestrov: To Thee We Sing) followed by a trail for their concert on R3 at 1930.

Does this matter? I'm not sure at all....

This sort of thing seems to have become standard practice. A trail this morning for a series on CBeebies, starting this afternoon, that will introduce the very young to the instruments of the orchestra. This was followed by the music that introduced Listen With Mother. Oh, yes - and there's yet another trail for Dr Who airing as I write.
UPDATE: First item on EC serves as trail for this afternoon's 'Concert'.

[Serial_Apologist]

This sort of thing seems to have become standard practice. A trail this morning for a series on CBeebies, starting this afternoon, that will introduce the very young to the instruments of the orchestra. This was followed by the music that introduced Listen With Mother. Oh, yes - and there's yet another trail for Dr Who airing as I write.
UPDATE: First item on EC serves as trail for this afternoon's 'Concert'.

Not strictly true, to be pedantic - what they played was an orchestrated version of the tune, whereas the actual version for LWM was Fauré's own two-piano one. I am old enough to know because I remember it!

[LMcD]

Not strictly true, to be pedantic - what they played was an orchestrated version of the tune, whereas the actual version for LWM was Fauré's own two-piano one. I am old enough to know because I remember it!

... and I'm clearly old enough to misremember!

[Serial_Apologist]

... and I'm clearly old enough to misremember!

[oddoneout]

That seemed what was going on this morning with the Latvian Radio Choir (Silvestrov: To Thee We Sing) followed by a trail for their concert on R3 at 1930.

Does this matter? I'm not sure at all....

It's something that's been going on for a long time. I'm pretty sure I'm not misremembering that Ian Skelly for instance, before his banishment from the morning schedule, would link items to evening concert content or similar. Such a link seems reasonable to me - although additional input from an advert I would consider unnecessary - as it's all directly R3 related. Linking to TV content I find more questionable, especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with R3 content. I was going to add "or purpose" but since that seems open to differing interpretations these days better to omit it.