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  • oddoneout
    Full Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 9141

    Originally posted by James Wonnacott View Post
    Sounds like we're in for a non-classical Christmas morning with PT - jazz and folk :-(
    Martin Handley's actual Breakfast programme may well be more conventional? The Christmas day schedule seems like a pretty good mix in some respects IMO. Whether all of it is "proper" R3 content is another matter, but most of the programmes are standard Sunday fare.

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    • JasonPalmer
      Full Member
      • Dec 2022
      • 826

      That was a nice piece of Bruckner..... I usually try sleep in on days I can so usually miss the breakfast show.
      Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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      • kernelbogey
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 5735

        Really unsure about the Debussy arranged by Son Lux from the film Everthing Everywhere All At Once. If Shari is right that we are going to hear a a lot of it if the fillm wins its Oscar I think it could quickly become tedious.

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37589

          Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
          Really unsure about the Debussy arranged by Son Lux from the film Everthing Everywhere All At Once. If Shari is right that we are going to hear a a lot of it if the fillm wins its Oscar I think it could quickly become tedious.
          When Debussy needed others to arrange him, he called on Koechlin, Caplet, and, in one instance for an early, stylistucally uncharacteristic work, Danse, Ravel: which should have offered some sort of clue. Whoever others may dredge up, today's recruiters should take more than a hint from Colin Matthews' settings of the Préludes, but I think they will more likely be following Emerson, Lake & Palmer's setting of La cathédrale engloutie.

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          • cloughie
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            • Dec 2011
            • 22114

            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
            Really unsure about the Debussy arranged by Son Lux from the film Everthing Everywhere All At Once. If Shari is right that we are going to hear a a lot of it if the fillm wins its Oscar I think it could quickly become tedious.
            Yes - a bit messed about - I’m not sure that Debussy should be any more adapted than the excellent Tomita’s disc.

            I did enjoy the Trenet and Brel in CC this morning however.

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
              • 37589

              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
              Yes - a bit messed about - I’m not sure that Debussy should be any more adapted than the excellent Tomita’s disc.

              I did enjoy the Trenet and Brel in CC this morning however.
              One thing about Debussy's music is that it allows the soloist a wider range of interpretive freedom than almost any other composer I can think of. First having come across works through one particular interpreter rather than others I have heard subsequently probably decided for ever thereafter if I liked it or not. Similarly the works involving more than one performer, though here it is colour combinations that come closest to the fore in the reading: miss a high violin note here, play that phrase too fast to catch or too low in the mix to hear, and all can be lost.

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              • JasonPalmer
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                • Dec 2022
                • 826

                Caught some of petroc lovely picks this morning, classical tastic
                Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                • Pulcinella
                  Host
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 10884

                  We might not be a very Christian country any longer, but surely someone at R3 knows that Wachet auf is an Advent cantata, not a Lenten one, delightful as the first movement is.

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                  • antongould
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8778

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    We might not be a very Christian country any longer, but surely someone at R3 knows that Wachet auf is an Advent cantata, not a Lenten one, delightful as the first movement is.
                    Kate’s response “ interesting – do you think the cantatas should only be played at specific times of year? I reckon (as Bach did!) his tunes are up for grabs at any time”

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                    • Pulcinella
                      Host
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10884

                      Originally posted by antongould View Post
                      Kate’s response “ interesting – do you think the cantatas should only be played at specific times of year? I reckon (as Bach did!) his tunes are up for grabs at any time”
                      Are you in touch with Kate, or did she actually say this and I didn't notice?
                      And doesn't her use of 'tunes' say it all?

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                      • antongould
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8778

                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        Are you in touch with Kate, or did she actually say this and I didn't notice?
                        And doesn't her use of 'tunes' say it all?
                        ….. like the rest of us TwitterTwits ….. she tends to respond when contacted ……

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                        • kernelbogey
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5735

                          Should we be lilstening to music during Lent?

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                            Should we be lilstening to music during Lent?
                            Should we let this 'ere Lent lark get in the way of music? The tyranny of 'the church' is now, thankfully, a thing of the past.

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                            • smittims
                              Full Member
                              • Aug 2022
                              • 4070

                              That quoted response is typical of what I've seen over the years from Government spokesmen, etc. an attempt to settle a matter with a witty soundbite.

                              Of course, it is well-known that Bach's church cantatas were intended for use within a Lutheran act of worship on specific Sundays, though many of them contain music available elsewhere, including some of the 'Brandenburg' concerti. Once people could buy recordings of them they were free to play them at any time , and not necessarily in any religious context. I don't know if they are still given in Lutheran churches but I expect most people who know a few of them or more have gotten to know them at home in recordings.

                              So I think it's OK to play a Bach cantata on the Radio 'out of season'. But as with the notorious Government spokesman who appeared not to know what 'mysogyny' was, I think Kate is mistaking Bach's use of his music in other contexts to suggest that he would have welcomed this.

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22114

                                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                                Should we be lilstening to music during Lent?
                                Yes, stolen, borrowed and whatever we choose.

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