The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[kernelbogey]

I'm possibly posting slightly off-topic, but I've wanted to state this for a while - and unsure if it deserves a whole thread of its own. As an occasional nocturnal World Service listener I'm aware of producers' use of music (of a kind) in speech programmes, such as documentaries, and I guess this is true also of Radio4, which I rarely listen to. The 'music' is often rather featureless, electronically produced stuff, often runnng in background to speech. I imagine the purpose is believed to be to improve concentration by the listener. I find it distracting, and not much better when used without speech over it. I imagine my distaste for this is not far removed from Alpie's for piped 'background' music.

I'm still interested whether others have a similar negative reaction to mine when music is used in this way in a speech programme.

[Frances_iom]

I'm still interested whether others have a similar negative reaction to mine when music is used in this way in a speech programme.

I too dislike it - often it seems used to 'enhance' a subject rather like film music - the tempo is also carefully selected to push the message. In practice I find I hit the mute button once I realise my emotional response is being hijacked.

[french frank]

I'm still interested whether others have a similar negative reaction to mine when music is used in this way in a speech programme.

I do remember in the latter days of my listening that I noticed it on Music Matters. A background of music which was broadly relevant to what was being discussed but definitely just a background to the speech content. I stopped listening to Music Matters I think I'd noticed it on another programme but can't remember which one. The Choir? In Tune?

[cloughie]

Surely not. I thought the BBC's normal assumption was "We're always right!.

I didn’t say they openly admitted to losing the plot - and yes they are always right, even when we know the truth!

[Quarky]

Thanks for the link to ABC Australia, Crowcatcher. I agree that the Australian stations are pretty good, including the Jazz Station. However the second item on a Lunchtime Concert I listened to, after a Gabrieli fanfare, was a swinging blues march, followed by a composition for two marimbas! I don't think you can escape non-classical in this day and age, IMHO.
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Possibly France Musique is a better alternative listening experience. To compare like with like, I can't comment on the live radio transmission (because it's not readily available in this country) other than it includes two Jazz programmes each evening::

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Musique

However the online equivalent of BBC Sounds is quite mind blowing , with several parallel streams of thematic music, classical, baroque, concerts, opera, etc, etc. Makes the BEEB's investment in online Music look a little miserly.

[Bax-of-Delights]

Please tell me I misheard Hannah French say “and tomorrow more singin’ with Bingen”.


Update. No, I didn’t mishear. She’s just repeated it.
Down with the kidz innit.

[kernelbogey]

I found the first thirty minutes of Hannah's Breakfast very pleasant - she talked about dreamy music, and was eloquent about the Bach-before-seven item, though in my dreamy state I didn't fully comprehend the detail about the Gloria. I think she is continuously maturing as a broadcaster and to me has that combination of musical knowledge and good microphone technique that puts her in the first class of R3 broadcasters.

As I dozed off, the Bingen joke passed me by. Waia wage woge du Welle....

[cloughie]

I found the first thirty minutes of Hannah's Breakfast very pleasant - she talked about dreamy music, and was eloquent about the Bach-before-seven item, though in my dreamy state I didn't fully comprehend the detail about the Gloria. I think she is continuously maturing as a broadcaster and to me has that combination of musical knowledgej and good microphone technique that puts her in the first class of R3 broadcasters.

As I dozed off, the Bingen joke passed me by. Waia wage woge du Welle....

I though it might have benn an intro to Bingen Louis or Clooney until she mentioned Hilde!

[Joseph K]

So we just had a Paganini Tarantella - despite the fact that it was clearly arranged for violin and guitar, we were told who the pianist was!

[oddoneout]

So we just had a Paganini Tarantella - despite the fact that it was clearly arranged for violin and guitar, we were told who the pianist was!

Some pianos sound better than others...
I notice that Hannah's presenter profile calls her a "musical butterfly" which strikes me as uncomplimentary, and inaccurate.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Some pianos sound better than others...
I notice that Hannah's presenter profile calls her a "musical butterfly" which strikes me as uncomplimentary, and inaccurate.

The cliché “butterfly” implying flitting from thing to thing I.e. slightly superficial needs be closer to the sad truth about the species - beautiful, fascinating and threatened.

[oddoneout]

The cliché “butterfly” implying flitting from thing to thing I.e. slightly superficial needs be closer to the sad truth about the species - beautiful, fascinating and threatened.

Yes it is the superficial implication I thought unfortunate. I do hope it isn't how she describes herself, as it did occur to me that the presenter profiles might have been self-generated or at least read before release. If so that would be sad.
As of course is the butterfly's predicament, as you rightly say.

[kernelbogey]

...I do hope it isn't how she describes herself....

https://www.hannahfrench.com

[Beresford]

Please tell me I misheard Hannah French say “and tomorrow more singin’ with Bingen”.

Doesn't everybody pronounce it like that, except before vowels, and possibly before "r"?
If you do not make the g silent, as in gnome, it sounds as if your mouth is full of chewing gum. (or should that be chewin' gum?)

This is quite different to Estuary English, always droppin' the g, like Priti Patel.

[french frank]

Doesn't everybody pronounce it like that, except before vowels, and possibly before "r"?

Wasn't it the sloganising rather than the pronunciation, and referring to Hidegard as 'Bingen' for the rhyme?