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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30283

    Originally posted by antongould View Post
    In this particular slot I am reasonably certain they get in touch because they want to suggest a piece of music that follows the starter
    I thought I was making it clear that I wasn't questioning the reasons why listeners contacted the programme. I was lamenting/criticising/expressing disappointment with the BBC's reasons for soliciting them. Do they really feel audience figures would slump if this practice were dropped?

    Now, I have no objection for channels to exist for listeners to make musical suggestions, perhaps giving their reasons, to the producers; and for those suggestions to be considered and where possible worked into a coherent programme of music. The subsequent explanation of context of the particular piece seems to have more genuine interest than the mention that some named or unnamed listener requested it. 'And we have to thank Mr B. Britten of Aldeburgh for his suggestion of a setting of 'Down by the Salley Gardens'. Thank you Mr Britten. Before that, you heard JS Bach's Erbarme Dich, Mein Gott, and now we follow it with Bosom Buddies from the musical Mame.'
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12815

      .

      ... Hannah French isn't too bad, but the interns who do the website are still pretty rubbish. This morning we had -

      Felix Mendelssohn
      Song without Words, Op 30 No 6
      Composer: Johann Sebastian Bach. Performer: Murray Perahia. Music Arranger: Ferruccio Busoni.


      .

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      • LMcD
        Full Member
        • Sep 2017
        • 8460

        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        .

        ... Hannah French isn't too bad, but the interns who do the website are still pretty rubbish. This morning we had -

        Felix Mendelssohn
        Song without Words, Op 30 No 6
        Composer: Johann Sebastian Bach. Performer: Murray Perahia. Music Arranger: Ferruccio Busoni.


        .
        The Bach was played immediately after the Mendelssohn without a break, but that's no excuse.
        I would rate Hannah French somewhat higher than 'not too bad'.

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        • vinteuil
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12815

          .

          ... yes, you're right - churlish of me.

          But at the least Hannah French could have provided the info on the Bach after the recording - rather than just saying that that was a Mendelssohn Song without Words

          .

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          • kernelbogey
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5745

            Originally posted by LMcD View Post
            I would rate Hannah French somewhat higher than 'not too bad'.

            I think she's an accomplished broadcaster, whom I greatly admire. I just wonder if she is more secure with a script (as in EMS, for example) than the Breakfast context where spontaneity and improvisation are called for - skills Petroc (for example) has honed over many years.

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            • Ein Heldenleben
              Full Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 6779

              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              I thought I was making it clear that I wasn't questioning the reasons why listeners contacted the programme. I was lamenting/criticising/expressing disappointment with the BBC's reasons for soliciting them. Do they really feel audience figures would slump if this practice were dropped?

              Now, I have no objection for channels to exist for listeners to make musical suggestions, perhaps giving their reasons, to the producers; and for those suggestions to be considered and where possible worked into a coherent programme of music. The subsequent explanation of context of the particular piece seems to have more genuine interest than the mention that some named or unnamed listener requested it. 'And we have to thank Mr B. Britten of Aldeburgh for his suggestion of a setting of 'Down by the Salley Gardens'. Thank you Mr Britten. Before that, you heard JS Bach's Erbarme Dich, Mein Gott, and now we follow it with Bosom Buddies from the musical Mame.'
              If all fails you have a career in prospect as a radio writer - your intro is only marginally less coherent than many I’ve heard and a good deal funnier. My all time fave (from Radio one )” 2005 - the year the Pope died and Elton John gave us this...”

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              • oddoneout
                Full Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 9188

                Originally posted by antongould View Post
                In this particular slot I am reasonably certain they get in touch because they want to suggest a piece of music that follows the starter and in their, probably very, very humble, opinion deserves to be heard.
                I have no problem with that and have heard some, IMVVHO, fine music that is new to me.
                You, and I don’t doubt, many other listeners have a problem with this ….. but in 24 hours broadcasting is there not space to pitch both tents …. ????
                You would have hoped so, but evidently tents have to be the right sort, and ours aren't...

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30283

                  Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                  If all fails you have a career in prospect as a radio writer - your intro is only marginally less coherent than many I’ve heard and a good deal funnier. My all time fave (from Radio one )” 2005 - the year the Pope died and Elton John gave us this...”
                  Pearls before swine, dear chap. Pearls before swine
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • willietell
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2020
                    • 11

                    How good it is to hear Martin Handley back in the Breakfast seat this morning! R3 Saturday mornings between 7 and 9 have been a no-go area for me for a long time so this is a real pleasure. Shame though that Martin had to follow Ms. Alker's script with "croissant corner" and French chansons - he clearly felt uncomfortable with it. As we're approaching 8 o'clock as I write, I'm bracing myself for a few minutes of 'Unclassified'. But that's a small price to pay - the rest of the programme is enhanced by Martin's warm and friendly introductions to the music. A real treat!

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                    • LMcD
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8460

                      Originally posted by willietell View Post
                      How good it is to hear Martin Handley back in the Breakfast seat this morning! R3 Saturday mornings between 7 and 9 have been a no-go area for me for a long time so this is a real pleasure. Shame though that Martin had to follow Ms. Alker's script with "croissant corner" and French chansons - he clearly felt uncomfortable with it. As we're approaching 8 o'clock as I write, I'm bracing myself for a few minutes of 'Unclassified'. But that's a small price to pay - the rest of the programme is enhanced by Martin's warm and friendly introductions to the music. A real treat!
                      I fear this may be only a fleeting treat .....

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                      • muzzer
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2013
                        • 1192

                        Was it trailed he would be on today? I’ve given up on Saturday breakfast what with tearworker etc. “Croissant corner” hardly militates against the sense EA is a comedy northerner. Is she some sort of metaphysical joke I’m not getting?

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                        • LMcD
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2017
                          • 8460

                          Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                          Was it trailed he would be on today? I’ve given up on Saturday breakfast what with tearworker etc. “Croissant corner” hardly militates against the sense EA is a comedy northerner. Is she some sort of metaphysical joke I’m not getting?
                          I think Hannah mentioned it on Friday - only for me to go and forget to retune after Tony Blackburn.

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                          • antongould
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8782

                            Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                            Was it trailed he would be on today? I’ve given up on Saturday breakfast what with tearworker etc. “Croissant corner” hardly militates against the sense EA is a comedy northerner. Is she some sort of metaphysical joke I’m not getting?
                            See #9651 above/below …….

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                            • oddoneout
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9188

                              Originally posted by antongould View Post
                              See #9651 above/below …….
                              The photo confused 'em.

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                              • kernelbogey
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 5745

                                Fans of Ms Alker can see her interviewing David Pickard on the Proms Website.

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