The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by Bryn View Post
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostBryn, I would like to read what he said, but I don't do fb. Any chance of your cutting & pasting here?
Woohoo! Handbags at Breakfast on Radio 3 over my piano piece 'Durham'. One irate listener wrote in to denounce its 'paucity of wit and creativity, an insult to your listeners and to Durham.' I have to say this is a proud moment: massive thanks to Martin Handley for playing it on his show, and to Siwan Rhys for recording it so beautifully on my new album Summer, which you simply must now get in order to feel similarly infuriated. Please do write in.
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Thanks, Bryn.
Having since listened to the piece in its entirety, I found it hasn't grown on me.
I think the person who texted the Breakfast programme 'anonymously' should have identified him/herself; and perhaps I shouldn't have quoted that rather spiteful phrase.
However simplicity isn't always rewarding IMV. I remember my brother, many years ago, saying that Spohr's Octet (I think he was referring to the last movement) was 'empty headed'; I think I had a similar response this morning.
(I'l get my handbag.)
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostI think the person who texted the Breakfast programme 'anonymously' should have identified him/herself; and perhaps I shouldn't have quoted that rather spiteful phrase.
Artists of all sorts have to live with this now; I don't think anyone's better off for it.
NB I think this forum is all right, as comments here gain little prominence ; but brutal people will always say brutal things: I hope they're disliked for it
As they say on Twitter (I think), "All opinions my own."It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by vinteuil View Post... yeah - but snarky is kinda fun, I find.
I enjoy snarky critics and writers
.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostA definite downside to the internet is that it's apparently now generally thought an advantage for Mr Everyman to have his say on everything (all right so far) and have his wise words broadcast to the wide general public. More shameful to me (just my opinion, you understand ) is that i don't believe for one minute it's done to initiate genuine debate, but just to add some spice to the programme and an aspect of a station that's become 80% naff light entertainment. Far better to broadcast it in the context of discussion with professional critics who at least have the discrimination to comment critically
Artists of all sorts have to live with this now; I don't think anyone's better off for it.
NB I think this forum is all right, as comments here gain little prominence ; but brutal people will always say brutal things: I hope they're disliked for it
As they say on Twitter (I think), "All opinions my own."
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Originally posted by antongould View Post80% ……… ?????? this bit of your own I don’t get …….It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostThanks, Bryn.
Having since listened to the piece in its entirety, I found it hasn't grown on me.
I think the person who texted the Breakfast programme 'anonymously' should have identified him/herself; and perhaps I shouldn't have quoted that rather spiteful phrase.
However simplicity isn't always rewarding IMV. I remember my brother, many years ago, saying that Spohr's Octet (I think he was referring to the last movement) was 'empty headed'; I think I had a similar response this morning.
(I'l get my handbag.)
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Originally posted by french frank View PostA definite downside to the internet is that it's apparently now generally thought an advantage for Mr Everyman to have his say on everything (all right so far) and have his wise words broadcast to the wide general public. More shameful to me (just my opinion, you understand ) is that i don't believe for one minute it's done to initiate genuine debate, but just to add some spice to the programme and an aspect of a station that's become 80% naff light entertainment. Far better to broadcast it in the context of discussion with professional critics who at least have the discrimination to comment critically
Artists of all sorts have to live with this now; I don't think anyone's better off for it.
NB I think this forum is all right, as comments here gain little prominence ; but brutal people will always say brutal things: I hope they're disliked for it
As they say on Twitter (I think), "All opinions my own."
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostIs it hypocritical to anonymously criticise those who post anonymous criticism on the internet? And if I criticise them am I guilty of some mind of meta-hypocrisy ?
I hope I haven't missed your point!
It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View Post??? I can't say;: it's more a matter of the terms in which one offers one's remarks (anonymous or not). I didn't criticise (anonymously) the anonymous critic, but more lamented the fact that these platforms which reach large audiences can be used as loudspeakers to 'broadcast' casual thoughts under the guise of 'criticism'. Radio 3 chooses to air such comments, not - in my view to add to critical debate - but to spice up the programme. I'm not into 'shock jocks' either but people do find them entertaining.
I hope I haven't missed your point!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnd5ilKx2Y
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostNot at all I was being facetious . A bald two sentence criticism of any work of art is bound to sound superficial . The problem is the broadcasters don’t have time to air a more lengthy considered piece. The real problem is not criticism but that everything is either “brilliant” or “fantastic” which in its own way as reductive as a short brutal put-down and of no use to the creative artist.
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