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  • hmvman
    Full Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1097

    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
    Well, as hmvman was specifically pointing out that my earlier claim had been disproven this morning, I thought it polite to concede the point.

    You are quite right - waiting nearly a fortnight for a complete Haydn S4tet (or equivalent/similar repertoire) doesn't suggest a change of attitude. As the morning programme schedules I've been posting on the Today's the Day Thread richly prove, it was a very different matter, 30, 40, and 50 years ago, when such repertoire was standard fare. I've avoided 1999 on that Thread, but even a quarter of a century ago (Weds 26th Jan, 1994), the work being broadcast at 8:40 was the 20-minute Schumann Op88 Fantasiestucke. The day before, it had been Haydn's 29-minute Symphony #60; the day after, Mozart's 30-minute K467 Piano Concerto - it was a daily pleasure (and followed, and was followed by, other substantial works [as well as shorter, self-contained pieces]) not an occasional treat that had to be pointed out like an Armani suit in a charity shop.
    My earlier post wasn't intended to be pointed, ferney. When I heard the quartet this morning I rather naughtily recalled your comment from a couple of weeks ago. You're absolutely right on the wider point; a complete quartet on the Breakfast programme is a rare treat rather than the norm.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      Originally posted by hmvman View Post
      My earlier post wasn't intended to be pointed, ferney.
      - I didn't take it as such; I thought you were absolutely right to point out - and commend - the inclusion of the work.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • underthecountertenor
        Full Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1584

        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
        So did we never find out what was in the other hand?
        Not that I care!
        It is perhaps fortunate that we did not.

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        • Pulcinella
          Host
          • Feb 2014
          • 10884

          Originally posted by underthecountertenor View Post
          It is perhaps fortunate that we did not.
          Indeed!
          Maybe they'll be asking for listener suggestions next?

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          • oddoneout
            Full Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 9141

            I am afeared that the crashing into the buffers incident mentioned in my #7845 may be an officially sanctioned initiative. Towards the end of this morning's programme Manuel Cardoso Lamentations for Holy Thursday was run into at speed by Carlos Paredes' Rhapsodia(2 guitars). Then in the subsequent quality offering, EC, Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante had its last milliseconds knocked out by Samuel Barber's Summer Music.
            I came late to Breakfast this morning and haven't been listening to all of EC so don't know if these were the only 2 such incidents - and EC has another hour to run in any case. I can think of several reasons 'they' might put forward if this is indeed policy rather than misguided experimentation by presenters, all of which would merely confirm the disconnect between what R3 could and should do, and what 'they' are foisting on the listeners.
            I should I suppose reiterate here that I have no objection as such to music items running on one to another without voice interventions, so long as it is done intelligently, which involves among other things allowing one piece to finish properly before the next one starts. That concept sadly has fallen foul of the proscribing of the famous R3 silence. I used to enjoy the Homeward Bound slot, and the christmas programmes that ran for a couple of years and played seasonal music without introduction or announcement was a lovely experience; it was early home internet days so printed lists of the music played in the christmas sequences were available FOC on request - those were the days....

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37589

              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
              I am afeared that the crashing into the buffers incident mentioned in my #7845 may be an officially sanctioned initiative. Towards the end of this morning's programme Manuel Cardoso Lamentations for Holy Thursday was run into at speed by Carlos Paredes' Rhapsodia(2 guitars). Then in the subsequent quality offering, EC, Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante had its last milliseconds knocked out by Samuel Barber's Summer Music.
              I came late to Breakfast this morning and haven't been listening to all of EC so don't know if these were the only 2 such incidents - and EC has another hour to run in any case. I can think of several reasons 'they' might put forward if this is indeed policy rather than misguided experimentation by presenters, all of which would merely confirm the disconnect between what R3 could and should do, and what 'they' are foisting on the listeners.
              I should I suppose reiterate here that I have no objection as such to music items running on one to another without voice interventions, so long as it is done intelligently, which involves among other things allowing one piece to finish properly before the next one starts. That concept sadly has fallen foul of the proscribing of the famous R3 silence. I used to enjoy the Homeward Bound slot, and the christmas programmes that ran for a couple of years and played seasonal music without introduction or announcement was a lovely experience; it was early home internet days so printed lists of the music played in the christmas sequences were available FOC on request - those were the days....
              Seems like they must be training the presenters for duties as MCs then. The trick with being an MC is to coordinate the speed and rhyhms between the tracks to make sure they synchronize, otherwise the dancers will object that the music doesn't calibrate with the substances...

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              • LMcD
                Full Member
                • Sep 2017
                • 8402

                0850: Sir John Gielgud reading Milton, followed by a number from 'Il Penseroso'...that's me nicely set up for the day

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                • oddoneout
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9141

                  John Dowland kicked aside by the Mad Hatter's Tea Party....

                  LMcD - glad to hear it - but was it really that late in the programme?

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30235

                    Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                    followed by a number from 'Il Penseroso'...
                    What is 'a number' from Il Penseroso?
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      "Pensoroso" - "one"?
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • LMcD
                        Full Member
                        • Sep 2017
                        • 8402

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        What is 'a number' from Il Penseroso?
                        Sorry guv - I wasn't sure whether it was an aria or whatever. I guess only musicals (sniff ) and revues have 'numbers'.
                        Perhaps it was 0750? Anyway, I enjoyed it. If anybody were to ask me to define 'mellifluous' I would simply let them listen to Sir John.

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                        • cloughie
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22114

                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          "Pensoroso" - "one"?
                          A very ambient answer.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30235

                            Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                            Sorry guv - I wasn't sure whether it was an aria or whatever. I guess only musicals (sniff ) and revues have 'numbers'.
                            Perhaps it was 0750? Anyway, I enjoyed it. If anybody were to ask me to define 'mellifluous' I would simply let them listen to Sir John.
                            As you'd just mentioned Sir JG reading a bit of Milton, I was assuming that by Il Penseroso you were referring to the Milton poem. If you'd made it clear you meant an aria/scena or whatever from an opera I would have accepted the term 'Number'. (I thought we were just getting bleeding chunks from poems )
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • vinteuil
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12782

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              As you'd just mentioned Sir JG reading a bit of Milton, I was assuming that by Il Penseroso you were referring to the Milton poem. If you'd made it clear you meant an aria/scena or whatever from an opera I would have accepted the term 'Number'.
                              ... a 'Pastoral Ode' rather than an Opera, m'lud :



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                              G. F. Handel, L'Allegro, il Penseroso ed il Moderato, pastoral ode (HVW 55), based on two poems by John Milton, adapted and extended by Charles Jennens .Geor...



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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20570

                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                "Pensoroso" - "one"?

                                Now, you've got me going. I can't get the Harry Potter "wingardium leviosa" spell out of my head.

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