The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[french frank]

How many trailers will the average listener be exposed to? Five? Ten? Twenty?

What is the 'average listener'? What about listeners who are not 'average'?

Equating 'the average duration of listening' with 'the average listener' is rather like concluding that because the average age of the UK population is 38, 'most people in the UK are 38'.

But if the 'average duration of listening' is half an hour (I believe 20 minutes is indeed nearer the mark) how much music is the 'average listener' going to hear if there is a trail, a text, an intro and back announcement …? This is an argument for having longer pieces of music, rather than short ones. That way listeners stand a better chance of hearing 20-30 mins of music.

[oddoneout]

The average duration of listening to Breakfast (and not fully attentive at that) is of the order half an hour.

How many trailers will the average listener be exposed to? Five? Ten? Twenty?

I suppose I had better start counting; I just know that one in the whole morning is too much for this listener, since it will be a repeat of a repeat etc. At least tweemails differ in content somewhat.....

[oddoneout]

According to PT (who presumably should know) the average listen is 'about 20 minutes' He was speaking on Radio 4's 'Feedback' on 6th April - still available on iPlayer Radio, about 23 minutes in.

Well that would explain the repetition rate if that's the figure the decision makers are working to - their counter-argument to ff's longer pieces of music(most recently #7636 ) presumably. After all, can't have people listening to music, they might get ideas and expectations and then where would we be?

[antongould]

Alkers ....... ?????

[french frank]

Alkers ....... ?????

No - definitely Petroc this morning , Lord G - says so on the schedule so must be true

[LMcD]

On Wed a.m. PT definitely said it would be EA today 'cos he was off to Edinburgh for the Young Musician Final (which he made a fine job of co-hosting introducing, may I say).

[french frank]

On Wed a.m. PT definitely said it would be EA today 'cos he was off to Edinburgh for the Young Musician Final (which he made a fine job of co-hosting introducing, may I say).

Lord G not attending. Unusual

[antongould]

Lord G not attending. Unusual

If you mean me then no ..... It would mean crossing the border and I haven't had a chance to read the appropriate HMG Don't Panic If No Deal guidance...... I did notice that Kate Molleson is crossing the other way to deputise for Lady Klein, who seems to me to make up her own hours, on Monday's EC ......

[Zucchini]

You may like this antongould:

"... I found the effort involved in listening to [deleted] quite exhausting; presenters and guests talking over each other, poor enunciation and diction and gratuitous sound effects combined to render the whole experience unbearable."

On [deleted] I can listen to uplifting music virtually uninterrupted. Such dialogue as is necessary is almost always delivered by a single presenter, professionally, simply and coherently."

Letter to The Times (para 1 Today deleted, para 2 Radio 3 deleted)

[antongould]

You may like this antongould:

"... I found the effort involved in listening to [deleted] quite exhausting; presenters and guests talking over each other, poor enunciation and diction and gratuitous sound effects combined to render the whole experience unbearable."

On [deleted] I can listen to uplifting music virtually uninterrupted. Such dialogue as is necessary is almost always delivered by a single presenter, professionally, simply and coherently."

Letter to The Times (para 1 Today deleted, para 2 Radio 3 deleted)

Indeed ......

[french frank]

You may like this antongould:

"[ … ] Such dialogue as is necessary is almost always delivered by a single presenter "

??? Does this refer to reading out the listener tweets?

[Old Grumpy]

Breakfast, for all its faults, is certainly a refuge from the Today programme. I used to be a regular Today listener (I even bought the book!), but got sick of it and discovered the delights of Morning on 3 further up the dial.

OG

[LMcD]

Breakfast, for all its faults, is certainly a refuge from the Today programme. I used to be a regular Today listener (I even bought the book!), but got sick of it and discovered Morning on 3 further up the dial.

OG

I 'defected' to the 'Today' programme a few years ago, but now find myself increasingly tired of the obsession with all things Br*x*t and usually end up enjoying an hour or so of Breakfast on 3.

[french frank]

An alternative, if neither Today nor Breakfast suit, is to have a peaceful morning without the incessant external soundtrack which people seem to treat as a necessity.

Of course, if you enjoy Today or Breakfast …

[antongould]

An alternative, if neither Today nor Breakfast suit, is to have a peaceful morning without the incessant external soundtrack which people seem to treat as a necessity.

Of course, if you enjoy Today or Breakfast …

But your peaceful morning ff would mean you missed the great "Was Bruckner a train spotter ... ??? " debate on Breakfast .....