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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    But they are ‘important’ if they cause listeners to reach for the Off button or just seethe and put up with them. That isn’t what RW and popular radio intend.
    Of course not, but they do appear to think it's great, and that to be like Chris Evans is somehow not a huge embarrassment.

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    • cloughie
      Full Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 22114

      Originally posted by antongould View Post
      Shame on me I have never heard of it cloughers ........ Willington - yes, Mann - yes but Man no ......
      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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      • oddoneout
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        • Nov 2015
        • 9141

        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        That fence must be mighty uncomfortable.
        Not too bad thank you, and worth it for seeing what's going on each side.

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        • antongould
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8778

          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          I see we're all getting sucked into the idea of inflating the importance of the presenter, over and above the musical content.

          Roger Wright et al would have been proud of us.
          I may be wrong EA, but do you not often start these bouts by taking the Squire's breath away ........

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          • MrGongGong
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
            Oooh...how about we have a pointless week with Petroc down in the forest glen. The Breakfast team never cease to amaze me that they can still find new ways to plumb the depths of banality.
            I thought lots of this was fantastic
            one of the few times i've gone out of my way to llisten to R3 in the morning
            Great to see acoustic ecology becoming more mainstream and NOT consisting of endless (though wonderful) Chris Watson

            More like this would be great IMV

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 20570

              Originally posted by antongould View Post
              I may be wrong EA, but do you not often start these bouts by taking the Squire's breath away ........
              Guilty as. Charged but. Perhaps I could claim some. Vindication on the ground that I. Am merely commenting on what. Actually happens on. A. Daily.

              Basis I can appreciate that I. Do harp on a bit it's. Something of an idée. Fixe with me because it's so. Disconcerting to listen.

              To sorry.

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              • antongould
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                • Nov 2010
                • 8778

                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                Guilty as. Charged but. Perhaps I could claim some. Vindication on the ground that I. Am merely commenting on what. Actually happens on. A. Daily.

                Basis I can appreciate that I. Do harp on a bit it's. Something of an idée. Fixe with me because it's so. Disconcerting to listen.

                To sorry.


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                • LMcD
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                  • Sep 2017
                  • 8402

                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  Guilty as. Charged but. Perhaps I could claim some. Vindication on the ground that I. Am merely commenting on what. Actually happens on. A. Daily.

                  Basis I can appreciate that I. Do harp on a bit it's. Something of an idée. Fixe with me because it's so. Disconcerting to listen.

                  To sorry.

                  You should do what I did, and buy what turned out buy a set of magic radios and TVs. I don't know how they do it, but PT sounds perfectly normal when he's talking to me of a morning, regardless of which radio set or TV I'm tuned to. (Unfortunately, they can't do ANYTHING about Tom Service's delivery ....)

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                  • DracoM
                    Host
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 12960

                    .........oh yes they could.................!!!!

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20570

                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      You should do what I did, and buy what turned out buy a set of magic radios and TVs. I don't know how they do it, but PT sounds perfectly normal when he's talking to me of a morning, regardless of which radio set or TV I'm tuned to.
                      I suspect some people have become so accustomed to this way of. Speaking. That is has started. To Sound.... Normal.

                      (Captain Smollett should sort him out.)


                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      (Unfortunately, they can't do ANYTHING about Tom Service's delivery ....)
                      They could start by removing all background music when he's speaking.
                      Then they could use a digital speech-slowing device.

                      (Or they could sack him and find someone better.)

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30235

                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        (Or they could sack him and find someone better.)
                        Tom knows his music and is enthusiastic about it (at least, he sounds it). These aspects are valued by today's Radio3 (they just can't find many who are knowledgeable). Unfortunately, the concept of a 'good broadcasting voice (and technique)' does not exist in today's BBC or they would train their broadcasters to speak.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • teamsaint
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25193

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          Tom knows his music and is enthusiastic about it (at least, he sounds it). These aspects are valued by today's Radio3 (they just can't find many who are knowledgeable). Unfortunately, the concept of a 'good broadcasting voice (and technique)' does not exist in today's BBC or they would train their broadcasters to speak.
                          If that is true, I'd suggest the aren't looking very hard, or in the right places.
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30235

                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            If that is true, I'd suggest the aren't looking very hard, or in the right places.


                            I'd say that is also true. First, they seem to look within the BBC so that they can 'bundle' various duties at lower cost. General duties people.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • teamsaint
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 25193

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post


                              I'd say that is also true. First, they seem to look within the BBC so that they can 'bundle' various duties at lower cost. General duties people.
                              And the cost thing baffles me. I mean, I work in an industry where costs are cut to the bone, and creative work is often done by talented people at rock bottom rates because it is an attractive industry, and people want to invest in their career,as it is now seen. I also see how we budget on projects, so have a decent understanding of the marginal costs involved.

                              But I really can't believe that expertise within the music world, the one that has many of its foundations in music colleges and University departments , is really very expensive.
                              ? Professors earn about £60k, so a daily rate of £400 would be generous, I should think.And of course there is even less expensive real expertise out there.Oxbridge DoM's for example, earn less, as do many performers.

                              It seems to me to be about a lack of will, not a lack of resource
                              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30235

                                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                                It seems to me to be about a lack of will, not a lack of resource
                                I wouldn't disagree with that either. The other side of it is making things less complicated. A 150-minute programme (or 180-minute), same time every day, same two presenters, on and on for year after year: it runs on wheels. Think of it as a basket: each day the basket starts empty, the separate items are put in to fill the basket, then the programme is broadcast with the items being thrown out one by one; and you end up with your empty basket again ready to be refilled for the next day (with a list of handy standby items to top up when you run out of ideas).

                                Why do you want to go out looking for new people?
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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