The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[DracoM]

because those now running medjah, often 'graduates' of the soft subjects, grew up with no or very little introduction to classical music and now merely assume that those who appreciate it are the over 60s 'elite' with whom they have few shared interests - from the late 60s thru the 70s it was usually the mathematicians and hard scientists who supported classical concerts at university.

OK, so what are THEIR CHILDREN now listening to / being encouraged to listen to etc?? That's the conundrum for R3.

[Padraig]

OK, so what are THEIR CHILDREN now listening to / being encouraged to listen to etc?? That's the conundrum for R3.

This sounds like a job for Cambridge Analytica!

[DracoM]

As if..............!!

Crikey, they've got a few questions to answer.

[Frances_iom]

Constant repetition works wonders in locking some phrase, tune etc into a child's mind - known by Jesuits, Goerbels and every advertising agency - post the 50s with the advent of full employment and increased wages for apprentices and young workers together with mass production of radios etc the music industry noted that a huge market was available - psychological reasoning was applied to suggest that teenagers (a term invented at this period) should be happier with their own music than that their parents listened to - thus the young were surrounded by commercial outlets pushing this profitable media - ok there were some independent thinkers/innovators but these were soon absorbed into the commercial machine (eg the Beatles) - couple to this the removal of the majority of those established industries such as coal mining, steel etc that were the bedrock of the brass + silver bands that kept much 'classical' music in their repertoire coupled with the severe cuts in music education + mass immigration from regions with a very different musical culture, then is it any surprise that western classical music, easily insinuated to be the preserve of the non-trendy, lost out.

[Serial_Apologist]

Constant repetition works wonders in locking some phrase, tune etc into a child's mind - known by Jesuits, Goerbels and every advertising agency - post the 50s with the advent of full employment and increased wages for apprentices and young workers together with mass production of radios etc the music industry noted that a huge market was available - psychological reasoning was applied to suggest that teenagers (a term invented at this period) should be happier with their own music than that their parents listened to - thus the young were surrounded by commercial outlets pushing this profitable media - ok there were some independent thinkers/innovators but these were soon absorbed into the commercial machine (eg the Beatles) - couple to this the removal of the majority of those established industries such as coal mining, steel etc that were the bedrock of the brass + silver bands that kept much 'classical' music in their repertoire coupled with the severe cuts in music education + mass immigration from regions with a very different musical culture, then is it any surprise that western classical music, easily insinuated to be the preserve of the non-trendy, lost out.

Very well said - added to which one could mention the fact that nothing is made to last under capitalism, from jobs and careers to homes and communities, excluding for the wealthy, powerful and influential able to stash their security away in tax havens, and that this conduces a culture of simplistic escapism to train the brain into not thinking too deeply about anything that questions the social and cultural status quo, with pop culture under the guise of anti-elitism comprising an important part of the diet. Gramsci, Benjamin, Marcuse and Berger had it just about right on enculturisation for the consumer society.

[LMcD]

An odd generalisation, and not my experience!

I supported concerts in the late 1960's - despite studying modern languages! I've always believed that linguists are among the keenest lovers of classical music.

[french frank]

Constant repetition works wonders in locking some phrase, tune etc into a child's mind

LAH-lah-lah-lah,lah,lah LAH, he-yy Jude … All ya need is love, all ya need is love …

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

LAH-lah-lah-lah,lah,lah LAH, he-yy Jude … All ya need is love, all ya need is love …

Ha-lleLUjah, Ha-lleLUjah
HalleLUjah HalleLUjah
HaLE-e-Lu-Jah

Ha-lleLUjah, Ha-lleLUjah
HalleLUjah HalleLUjah
HaLE-e-Lu-Jah

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Daaah - da - daaaah di da daaaaaah di da ditdat ----- plink plonk (repeat until Feb 29th then insert):
pom pom Paah pom pom Pee, pom pom Paah pom pom Pee; pom pom Paah pom pom Pee, pom pom Paah pom pom Pee
(Then repeat the "Daah - da -daahs" again until Easter.)

[french frank]

Ha-lleLUjah, Ha-lleLUjah
HalleLUjah HalleLUjah
HaLE-e-Lu-Jah

Ha-lleLUjah, Ha-lleLUjah
HalleLUjah HalleLUjah
HaLE-e-Lu-Jah

Well, not quite musically the same as He-yy Jude <continue, fading> - only the first two HalleLUjahs are the same. But my mistake picking on the Holy Beatles … the same applies when the same applies

[cloughie]

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Ha-lleLUjah, Ha-lleLUjah
HalleLUjah HalleLUjah
HaLE-e-Lu-Jah

Ha-lleLUjah, Ha-lleLUjah
HalleLUjah HalleLUjah
HaLE-e-Lu-Jah

********

Daaah - da - daaaah di da daaaaaah di da ditdat ----- plink plonk (repeat until Feb 29th then insert):
pom pom Paah pom pom Pee, pom pom Paah pom pom Pee; pom pom Paah pom pom Pee, pom pom Paah pom pom Pee
(Then repeat the "Daah - da -daahs" again until Easter.)

Or those of us who at junior school listened to 'Singing Together' - Twankydillo, Twankydillo, Twankydillo, dillo, dillo, dillo - a roaring pair of bagpipes made of the green willow!

[Serial_Apologist]

Yoko Ono - Beat Piece: Listen to your heartbeat.

[oddoneout]

G
Or those of us who at junior school listened to 'Singing Together' - Twankydillo, Twankydillo, Twankydillo, dillo, dillo, dillo - a roaring pair of bagpipes made of the green willow!

I suspect there might be some reservations about attempting that one nowadays.

[Padraig]

I suspect there might be some reservations about attempting that one nowadays.

Shakespeare got away with 'It was a lover and his lass' - a popular hit since.

[Serial_Apologist]

Shakespeare got away with 'It was a lover and his lass' - a popular hit since.

You mean "Pretty ringtone"?

[Padraig]

You mean "Pretty ringtone"?

Hey! nonny no! But, as you like.