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  • LMcD
    Full Member
    • Sep 2017
    • 8460

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    You mean we realise it's always been like this? Yes, and on the other hand it draws attention usefully to the inequity - and its effects: I'm sure there are some who miss the presence of the usual DWMs, and even LWMs, and therefore they must understand how others miss the presence of the women composers.

    It's a bit CFM only to appreciate what is familiar
    Perhaps I haven't been paying attention, but:
    DWM = ?
    LWM = ?
    CFM = Classic FM?
    (One of John Humphrys's strengths as an interviewer is that anybody using too many abbreviations or too much jargon is politely interrupted while he (JH that is) explains it or asks his guest to do so. This almost always has the desired effect).

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      Dead White Males
      Living White Males
      (and, yes; Classic Frequency Modulation)

      Hope that helps, Lovable Man can Do.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30283

        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        Dead White Males
        Living White Males
        (and, yes; Classic Frequency Modulation)

        Hope that helps, Lovable Man can Do.
        In my defence I was using DWM in a somewhat ironic way to accommodate those who think in those terms, invariably in a disparaging way (LDBs (Long Dead Buffers) are fine by me!). I used LWM on the analogy: being altogether less distasteful to some people, the acronym is less frequently encountered …
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Barbirollians
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11680

          Who was this morning's guest presenter ?

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          • underthecountertenor
            Full Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 1584

            Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
            Who was this morning's guest presenter ?
            Georgia Mann. I wouldn't call her a 'guest' anymore. She seems to have taken over from Clemency as the regular stand-in for Petroc.

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30283

              Originally posted by underthecountertenor View Post
              Georgia Mann. I wouldn't call her a 'guest' anymore. She seems to have taken over from Clemency as the regular stand-in for Petroc.
              She's been presenting all week. I'm not sure that it's right to call her a 'stand-in for Petroc'. Breakfast has two presenters, one man, one woman: they alternate.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                She's been presenting all week. I'm not sure that it's right to call her a 'stand-in for Petroc'. Breakfast has two presenters, one man, one woman: they alternate.
                Is GM a "stand-in" for Clemmie?
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • Padraig
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                  • Feb 2013
                  • 4236

                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  Is GM a "stand-in" for Clemmie?
                  "Who cares, Habibi, they're gorgeous."

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                  • underthecountertenor
                    Full Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 1584

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    She's been presenting all week. I'm not sure that it's right to call her a 'stand-in for Petroc'. Breakfast has two presenters, one man, one woman: they alternate.
                    But it seems to me to be a very unequal alternation. Certainly it was when Clemency was the alternate. In fact, as often as not, when Petroc was absent he seemed to be replaced by Ian Skelly.

                    Georgia Mann has been introduced with so little fanfare that the impression I get is very much that Breakfast is now Petroc's domain rather there being a true alternation.

                    Oddly enough, the Breakfast home page still shows Petroc and Clemency sharing the studio, but as far as I can tell Clemency is permanently on other duties these days.

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                    • teamsaint
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 25209

                      I tuned into Breakfast yesterday briefly, and caught a piece where GM was praising the virtues of Ravel’s house.


                      Which she told us twice that we can no longer visit.


                      Still at least I didnt make a pointless spur of the moment trip........
                      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                      • LMcD
                        Full Member
                        • Sep 2017
                        • 8460

                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        Dead White Males
                        Living White Males
                        (and, yes; Classic Frequency Modulation)

                        Hope that helps, Lovable Man can Do.
                        Many thanks, Friendly Helpful Gent!

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30283

                            Originally posted by underthecountertenor View Post
                            But it seems to me to be a very unequal alternation. Certainly it was when Clemency was the alternate. In fact, as often as not, when Petroc was absent he seemed to be replaced by Ian Skelly.

                            Georgia Mann has been introduced with so little fanfare that the impression I get is very much that Breakfast is now Petroc's domain rather there being a true alternation.

                            Oddly enough, the Breakfast home page still shows Petroc and Clemency sharing the studio, but as far as I can tell Clemency is permanently on other duties these days.
                            Clemency was last on at the end of January, and it may well be that as a very busy person she has been engaged on other projects during February. The fact that Petroc is the longest standing/permanent presenter, doesn't quite make it 'his show': it means the BBC is finding some difficulty finding women suitably qualified to act as a permanent counterpart (as CBH and SMP have been in the past).
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • antongould
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8782

                              Originally posted by underthecountertenor View Post
                              But it seems to me to be a very unequal alternation. Certainly it was when Clemency was the alternate. In fact, as often as not, when Petroc was absent he seemed to be replaced by Ian Skelly.

                              Georgia Mann has been introduced with so little fanfare that the impression I get is very much that Breakfast is now Petroc's domain rather there being a true alternation.

                              Oddly enough, the Breakfast home page still shows Petroc and Clemency sharing the studio, but as far as I can tell Clemency is permanently on other duties these days.
                              I think you are correct unders ........

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                              • antongould
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 8782

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Clemency was last on at the end of January, and it may well be that as a very busy person she has been engaged on other projects during February. The fact that Petroc is the longest standing/permanent presenter, doesn't quite make it 'his show': it means the BBC is finding some difficulty finding women suitably qualified to act as a permanent counterpart (as CBH and SMP have been in the past).
                                But I'm sure Georgia has generate some support hereabouts before .... personally I think she is fine

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