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  • Sir Velo
    Full Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 3225

    In response to the point that a majority of Breakfast listeners prefer the current format of old warhorses and bleeding chunks, let's be clear that there is a distinction to be drawn between current listeners (and they would have to be very perverse indeed to listen to a programme they disliked!) and potential listeners.

    Given the reach of Radio 3 is what, 2 million?, and Breakfast draws maybe 30% of that share, there are a good 70% of regular R3 listeners who give the programme a wide berth. The only way of proving which is preferable is to give something approaching the old Morning on Three a good run for its money (ie one quarter at least) and then seeing which brings in the higher audience.

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    • teamsaint
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 25190

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      In that case, team, we are entirely at one , now that you have explained No more to be said on that. ?
      Excellent. It isn't always easy discussing things on a forum.

      And oddly , it is often harder when people have similar views on the hoped for outcome.
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37560

        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        Excellent. It isn't always easy discussing things on a forum.

        And oddly , it is often harder when people have similar views on the hoped for outcome.
        Yes, the pessimism cranks up to such a degree, it's hard to accept when we've actually reached agreement!

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        • ardcarp
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11102

          You could have knocked me over with a feather when the Gloria from Carver's Missa L'homme armé popped up on Breakfast. Fabulous. (Even if the presenter - who? - missed the 'e acute' when she announced it.)

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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8774

            Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
            You could have knocked me over with a feather when the Gloria from Carver's Missa L'homme armé popped up on Breakfast. Fabulous. (Even if the presenter - who? - missed the 'e acute' when she announced it.)
            Indeed it was wonderful IMVVHO ........

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            • antongould
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 8774

              ..... and now Mieczyslaw Weinberg ........

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              • seabright
                Full Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 625

                I don't know about anyone else but I find myself increasingly reaching for the off-switch when something comes on which, for me at any rate, is less than compatible with music to listen to over the muesli. This morning it was some ghastly cacophonous harpsichord piece, so off it went. Of course, it's all a question of personal likes and dislikes and doubtless others will revel in such early morning cacophony. Still, I found that some nice quiet silence for a while really didn't go amiss!

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                • Stanfordian
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 9308

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  It's the way things are going, though RAJAR's latest research says only 8% of 'live radio listening' is via portable devices (excl. laptops) so still some way to go.



                  Ideally the Radio 2 prairie should have a couple of wildflower meadows for listeners to wander into if they feel attracted, and if they go in far enough they come to the entrance to Radio 3 which has even more attractive flowers
                  Hiya frenchfrank,

                  I'm not sure if you have seen this changing identity of Radio 2 owing to this recent revamp. Reported in the 'i' newspaper on Thursday 11th.

                  To be Axed or "Rested" (BBC Speak):
                  Nigel Ogden - The Organist Entertains
                  Frank Renton - Listen to the Band
                  Paul Jones - Blues Show

                  New slots for:

                  Cerys Matthews
                  Sara Cox
                  Jo Whiley

                  This axing of the older men in favour of younger women is OK is not the problem with me but its the "generational shift" in style of music from pipe and slippers to attract younger age listeners that in my view is evolving R2 into something of a middle-age Radio 1.
                  Last edited by Stanfordian; 18-01-18, 10:33.

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    More to what i was thinking. The BBC are forgetting about that there are still loads of joe public out there of the over 60's(), who still would want to hear these programmes?
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30206

                      Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                      Hiya frenchfrank,

                      I'm not sure if you have seen this changing identity of Radio 2 owing to this recent revamp. Reported in the 'i' newspaper on Thursday 11th. [ … ]but its the "generational shift" in style of music from pipe and slippers to attract younger age listeners that in my view is evolving R2 into something of a middle-age Radio 1.
                      Yes, I saw it, Stan, and agree with you. Popular music for the young to 'middle youth' rules now on 92.35% of BBC music radio, and will still have a small way to go by seeping gradually into Radio 3/the Proms, first the presentation style, then the content

                      Originally posted by seabright View Post
                      I don't know about anyone else but I find myself increasingly reaching for the off-switch when something comes on which, for me at any rate, is less than compatible with music to listen to over the muesli. This morning it was some ghastly cacophonous harpsichord piece, so off it went. Of course, it's all a question of personal likes and dislikes and doubtless others will revel in such early morning cacophony. Still, I found that some nice quiet silence for a while really didn't go amiss!
                      Research suggests you mean the 4-min William Albright piece. Hmm, virtuosic but not particularly attractive to me (did the use of the harpsichord improve it?). Not sure that I found it a 'cacophany' but, if you like the Breakfast selection generally, perhaps just lowering the volume on the cacophanous items would be an alternative solution?
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Zucchini
                        Guest
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 917

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        Research suggests you mean the 4-min William Albright piece. Hmm, virtuosic but not particularly attractive to me (did the use of the harpsichord improve it?). Not sure that I found it a 'cacophany' but, if you like the Breakfast selection generally, perhaps just lowering the volume on the cacophanous items would be an alternative solution?
                        Quite so. He's being stupid. Does he throw his muesli in the sink if he finds a raisin (say) in it?

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                        • cloughie
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22110

                          Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                          Hiya frenchfrank,

                          I'm not sure if you have seen this changing identity of Radio 2 owing to this recent revamp. Reported in the 'i' newspaper on Thursday 11th.

                          To be Axed or "Rested" (BBC Speak):
                          Nigel Ogden - The Organist Entertains
                          Frank Renton - Listen to the Band
                          Paul Jones - Blues Show

                          New slots for:

                          Cerys Matthews
                          Sara Cox
                          Jo Whiley

                          This axing of the older men in favour of younger women is OK is not the problem with me but its the "generational shift" in style of music from pipe and slippers to attract younger age listeners that in my view is evolving R2 into something of a middle-age Radio 1.
                          I pointed to this in #7120, we're living longer and been abandoned by the BBC!

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30206

                            Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                            You could have knocked me over with a feather when the Gloria from Carver's Missa L'homme armé popped up on Breakfast. Fabulous. (Even if the presenter - who? - missed the 'e acute' when she announced it.)
                            It would be less of a problem, I imagine, if it were written down correctly (i.e. if it had an acute accent). Though she also said Skohn Abbey rather than Skoon. Surprised at a BBC type getting that wrong
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • oddoneout
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9135

                              Originally posted by seabright View Post
                              I don't know about anyone else but I find myself increasingly reaching for the off-switch when something comes on which, for me at any rate, is less than compatible with music to listen to over the muesli. This morning it was some ghastly cacophonous harpsichord piece, so off it went. Of course, it's all a question of personal likes and dislikes and doubtless others will revel in such early morning cacophony. Still, I found that some nice quiet silence for a while really didn't go amiss!
                              As you say, personal taste. For some I daresay a bit of less than restful music might be an advantage at that time of day.I suspect that tolerance levels for sounds, volume etc are lower for many at the beginning of the day, I know they are for me(regardless of the night before...) and I might find myself turning down or off something that later in the day would be OK. Wouldn't go so far as to use the term 'cacophony' though.
                              Which reminds me of rehearsing a long time ago the Symphony of Psalms, which a less than enthusiastic choir member insisted on calling Cacophony of Psalms.

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                              • underthecountertenor
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 1584

                                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                                Which reminds me of rehearsing a long time ago the Symphony of Psalms, which a less than enthusiastic choir member insisted on calling Cacophony of Psalms.
                                Which reminds me of someone who recently told me that she refused to take part in a performance of Walton's Belshazzar's Feast because it was 'atonal'. She claimed to be a music graduate too.

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