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  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8782

    All I would say is that if there are days next week when Skellers reads the Breakfast news I will send a grumpy email to Lord Stockton .....

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26533

      Originally posted by antongould View Post
      Rumpole's favourite Elizabeth Alker .....
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • muzzer
        Full Member
        • Nov 2013
        • 1192

        GM is v good imho and I'm looking forward. As noted recently on this thread, it seems clear that the powers that be have been taking on board quite a lot of the long term criticism voiced about presenters.......this is, also imho and ymmv, a good thing.

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        • Old Grumpy
          Full Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 3612

          Originally posted by antongould View Post
          All I would say is that if there are days next week when Skellers reads the Breakfast news I will send a grumpy email to Lord Stockton .....
          You may be able to tell him in person if he attends the Radio 3 jolly just North of his demesne.

          OG

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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8782

            Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
            You may be able to tell him in person if he attends the Radio 3 jolly just North of his demesne.

            OG
            Too far from Fenwicks .... if you have coffee with him feel free to pass on my views ......

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              What in heaven's name is Nancarrow on for today?!?!?
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30284

                Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                GM is v good imho and I'm looking forward. As noted recently on this thread, it seems clear that the powers that be have been taking on board quite a lot of the long term criticism voiced about presenters.......this is, also imho and ymmv, a good thing.
                It's interesting as to what irritates and what doesn't. Some presenters project their personalities just a little bit too far forward, as if - as in pop music radio - they are an essential part of the programme. That really doesn't work for Radio 3. Skellers is probably felt to have a very warm, attractive personality but he doesn't oversell himself.

                So for a CD sequence programme there's less need for highly specialist knowledge of the music. For Radio 3, there may be a parallel with the training of newspaper subeditors who (in my day any road) were not accepted for training until they were 28, had a good experience of journalism (mutatis mutandis broadcasting) but above all a very wide general knowledge of a bit of everything. Their job was to check on anything they didn't know.

                It's about professionalism not personality (nor, necessarily, about music qualifications).
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • LeMartinPecheur
                  Full Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4717

                  Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                  What in heaven's name is Nancarrow on for today?!?!?
                  Brilliant early-morning invigoration of course!

                  BBM: take it, it's good for you
                  I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                  • Old Grumpy
                    Full Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 3612

                    Originally posted by antongould View Post
                    Too far from Fenwicks .... if you have coffee with him feel free to pass on my views ......
                    I think I've seen "da man", but not to talk to.

                    OG

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                    • antongould
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 8782

                      Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
                      I think I've seen "da man", but not to talk to.

                      OG
                      Oh well done .... did Shippers play one of your requests .... ?????

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26533

                        Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                        GM is v good imho and I'm looking forward.
                        Early start today, and I was glad (cue music...): I agree muzzer, Georgia Mann is excellent. If I may quote anton, IMVVVHO. From my first hour or so of hearing her, an ideal pitch of voice for radio, no intrusive tics or self-regarding mannerisms, and sounds entirely on top of her subject and her script.

                        Look forward to more.
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30284

                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          Early start today, and I was glad (cue music...): I agree muzzer, Georgia Mann is excellent. If I may quote anton, IMVVVHO. From my first hour or so of hearing her, an ideal pitch of voice for radio, no intrusive tics or self-regarding mannerisms, and sounds entirely on top of her subject and her script.
                          It was John Drummond (I believe) who first introduced the idea that 'presenters' should write their own scripts. Fine, if they really do know their subject and have been employed to share their knowledge and insight. But for the average CD sequence programme like Breakfast, better to have an excellent 'radio voice' and a skill in reading a script in a natural manner (and accurately!). As Cormac Rigby said, the job of the presenter (actually, I expect he said 'announcer') is to serve the music - pretty much what the late Peter Allen, of Live from the Met, said.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Old Grumpy
                            Full Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 3612

                            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                            Early start today, and I was glad (cue music...): I agree muzzer, Georgia Mann is excellent. If I may quote anton, IMVVVHO. From my first hour or so of hearing her, an ideal pitch of voice for radio, no intrusive tics or self-regarding mannerisms, and sounds entirely on top of her subject and her script.

                            Look forward to more.

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                            • Stanfordian
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9311

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              It was John Drummond (I believe) who first introduced the idea that 'presenters' should write their own scripts. Fine, if they really do know their subject and have been employed to share their knowledge and insight. But for the average CD sequence programme like Breakfast, better to have an excellent 'radio voice' and a skill in reading a script in a natural manner (and accurately!). As Cormac Rigby said, the job of the presenter (actually, I expect he said 'announcer') is to serve the music - pretty much what the late Peter Allen, of Live from the Met, said.
                              Yes presenters must know something about their subject. Last week at Cheltenham horse racing festival Victoria Pendelton was doing some features and she said "these are the stables, where they keep the horses."

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                              • oddoneout
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2015
                                • 9189

                                Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                                Yes presenters must know something about their subject. Last week at Cheltenham horse racing festival Victoria Pendelton was doing some features and she said "these are the stables, where they keep the horses."
                                Perhaps she's only previously encountered them in their 'desirable residential conversion' state?

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