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  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 37559

    Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
    actually a courgette is a good description of the present BBC - liberal or green on the surface but having grown too big, bitter and seedy inside
    ...and frequently tasteless.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30206

      Originally posted by antongould View Post
      I tend to think if On Yer Mobile played 10 of those one morning you would have a fair bit to say ..... Add the adverts to the 29 and I honestly would have switched off very sharpish ......
      Well, we have had a fair bit to say about playlists on a number of occasions

      But we have to look at the Big Picture :-) : no two stations are going to be identical - pointing out specific differences doesn't necessarily make them 'distinctive'. It is a fact (isn't it?) that Radio 3's early morning programme has moved towards Classic FM in a number of respects - like playing shorter pieces than it used to, including several single movements per programme, increasing the less than relevant speech content, some perceive too much repetition of familiar works. That isn't Classic FM moving towards Radio 3. Some people may 'prefer Radio 3' and, like the BBC, they will point up the differences and play down the similarities.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
        Not much I'll warrant, Ferney - just a few less pits perhaps. I was there not that long ago with Mrs G matching some of the localilty with the paintings of Norman Cornish - interesting mining museum and art gallery in the Town Hall.

        OG
        Many thanks, OGgy - I remember a school trip to the museum from my time there. Yes - definitely tempted to make a trip back to compare; I currently live 80 miles away, so not too vast a journey.
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • teamsaint
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 25190

          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Many thanks, OGgy - I remember a school trip to the museum from my time there. Yes - definitely tempted to make a trip back to compare; I currently live 80 miles away, so not too vast a journey.
          yes, well there's 80 miles and there's 80 miles.

          if its anything like the last 80 miles by road to Minehead from absolutely anywhere, for instance........
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8774

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            Well, we have had a fair bit to say about playlists on a number of occasions

            But we have to look at the Big Picture :-) : no two stations are going to be identical - pointing out specific differences doesn't necessarily make them 'distinctive'. It is a fact (isn't it?) that Radio 3's early morning programme has moved towards Classic FM in a number of respects - like playing shorter pieces than it used to, including several single movements per programme, increasing the less than relevant speech content, some perceive too much repetition of familiar works. That isn't Classic FM moving towards Radio 3. Some people may 'prefer Radio 3' and, like the BBC, they will point up the differences and play down the similarities.
            .....fair points but my contention was, and is, that R3 Breakfast is much superior to the CFM equivalent and not, as was suggested, on a par ....

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            • Old Grumpy
              Full Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 3594

              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
              yes, well there's 80 miles and there's 80 miles.

              if its anything like the last 80 miles by road to Minehead from absolutely anywhere, for instance........
              Pretty good roads now around Spennymoor, most of them probably built since Ferney's last visit - lots of EU money available in the late 80s/early 90s.

              OG

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              • Old Grumpy
                Full Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 3594

                Originally posted by antongould View Post
                .....fair points but my contention was, and is, that R3 Breakfast is much superior to the CFM equivalent and not, as was suggested, on a par ....

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                • Flay
                  Full Member
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 5795

                  Originally posted by Black Swan View Post
                  and while driving to work was treated with a new low, some awful arrangement of Beatles tunes in a Baroque manner, The Royale Beatleworks Musicke.
                  Why arrange perfectly good tunes? I would rather hear the original Eleanor Rigby with its double string quartet, or For No One with its poignant horn solo. Beautiful playing from true professionals.
                  Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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                  • jean
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7100

                    But it's a joke - quite a good one, I think.

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22110

                      Originally posted by Flay View Post
                      Why arrange perfectly good tunes? I would rather hear the original Eleanor Rigby with its double string quartet, or For No One with its poignant horn solo. Beautiful playing from true professionals.
                      For No One, Alan Civil was it not?
                      ...and Yesterday was Macca with a French SQ methinks.

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                      • Flay
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 5795

                        Originally posted by jean View Post
                        But it's a joke - quite a good one, I think.
                        Agreed, but Petroc was asking for more (wacky?) arrangements, and my comment here reflects my thoughts at the time. The originals were pretty good.
                        Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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                        • Don Petter

                          Originally posted by Flay View Post
                          Agreed, but Petroc was asking for more (wacky?) arrangements, and my comment here reflects my thoughts at the time. The originals were pretty good.
                          That was an annoying habit in R3 breakfast programmes long before the present descent into the abyss - needing to ward off imagined boredom in jaded palates by having arrangements on accordeons, nose flutes, etc.

                          One is reminded of the costermongers' shout 'If you don't want the goods don't muck 'em about!'.

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                          • Flay
                            Full Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 5795

                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            For No One, Alan Civil was it not?
                            ...and Yesterday was Macca with a French SQ methinks.
                            Civil played the horn but it was an ad hoc string quartet in Yesterday (Tony Gilbert, first violin; Sidney Sax, second violin; Kenneth Essex, viola; and Francisco Gabarro, cello).

                            One of the cellos in Eleanor Rigby was played by Derek Simpson from the Aeolian Quartet
                            Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30206

                              Originally posted by antongould View Post
                              .....fair points
                              Thank you.

                              Originally posted by antongould View Post
                              but my contention was, and is, that R3 Breakfast is much superior to the CFM equivalent
                              Radio 3 "beats Classic FM at its own game"? As was, and is, my contention: some people will be satisfied with it, others won't. Objectively, should Radio 3 have started doing what Classic FM was already doing? An argument that it's doing it 'better' than Classic FM has no critical credibility.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • antongould
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 8774

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                ..... That's what people mean by saying this portion of the day is no better than Classic FM. Radio 3 should be better - and that means objectively 'better' .........
                                This is what I was disagreeing with .........

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