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  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8778

    Suggestions for music to blow the top of your head off .........methinks this will be a winner hereabouts??

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    • cloughie
      Full Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 22114

      Originally posted by antongould View Post
      Suggestions for music to blow the top of your head off .........methinks this will be a winner hereabouts??
      1 Build up to and beginning of battle scene in Heldenleben
      2 End of SS3
      3 Isaac Hayes - Theme from Shaft

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      • Sir Velo
        Full Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 3225

        Happened to turn in briefly (and as it turned out, momentarily) ths morning, when the CD I was playing came to its end and the radio cut in to the strains of "Jupiter". Such originality. When are these guys going to realise that it is irrelevant to the Classic FM set what they play as whatever it is washes over their uncritical faculties as background music, while the discerning listener immediately switches for the off button.

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        • antongould
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8778

          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          1 Build up to and beginning of battle scene in Heldenleben
          2 End of SS3
          3 Isaac Hayes - Theme from Shaft
          You need to tell Clemmers not me Cloughie

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30235

            Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
            Happened to turn in briefly (and as it turned out, momentarily) ths morning, when the CD I was playing came to its end and the radio cut in to the strains of "Jupiter". Such originality. When are these guys going to realise that it is irrelevant to the Classic FM set what they play as whatever it is washes over their uncritical faculties as background music, while the discerning listener immediately switches for the off button.
            I switched on to the sound of The Tune from Mozart's Horn Concerto ("I once had a whim and I had to obey it"). Then soon after there was Jupiter bringing a bit of jollity, then a very obscure little Bach piano piece, after that the Saint-Saëns Allegro Appashonato, a nice slow Adagio Cantabile from Beethoven's Pathétique ...

            This is surely where the argument falls down that 'They may be familiar to YOU, but a lot of other people are hearing them for the first time' . Every morning there may be people who are hearing whatever they play 'for the first time' which would allow them to play, every day, a Johann Strauss II waltz (sorry - a polka this morning), the overture from Candide, an orchestral bit from a George Gershwin show... I see we had an Elgar Pomp & Circumstance March, a Kreisler piece, a Brahms Hungarian Dance, a song from The Mikado, Grieg's Morning and an Offenbach overture.

            There is no defence in saying that there were other things in between. I love the piano transcription of Jesu bleibet meine Freude, but not wedged between Jupiter, Bringer of Jollity and a Saint-Saëns cello work.

            One doesn't listen in order to complain, but to try to explain why a lot of people find the programme so awful. We KNOW that it 'isn't aimed at us' - but that, surely is at the root of the complaint?

            (As for CFM listeners, many of them do recognise that they are getting the same pieces recycled over and over again. They may turn to Radio 3 and discover after a year or so that they're getting Radio 3's same pieces over and over again).
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Sir Velo
              Full Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 3225

              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              This is surely where the argument falls down that 'They may be familiar to YOU, but a lot of other people are hearing them for the first time' . (As for CFM listeners, many of them do recognise that they are getting the same pieces recycled over and over again. They may turn to Radio 3 and discover after a year or so that they're getting Radio 3's same pieces over and over again).


              I agree that some of those drawn from CFM may well get cheesed off with hearing the same stuff all the time on R3 as well.

              My point is really that, as much of what they really want (OK I am being presumptuous ) is just tuneful background listening, it really doesn't matter what is played provided it is: (a) (in the main) tonal; and (b) harmonically not too challenging (which I suspect is what most of us want first thing in the morning anyway).

              As has been amply demonstrated on another thread there are literally thousands of pieces which fall into this category. Who knows, with a bit of imagination in the programming, disgruntled listeners (such as us) might even start listening again!

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30235

                Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                As has been amply demonstrated on another thread there are literally thousands of pieces which fall into this category. Who knows, with a bit of imagination in the programming, disgruntled listeners (such as us) might even start listening again!
                I suppose/think perhaps that the idea of 'educating our new listeners' means that they have a list of, erm, essential classics which Every Classical Music Lover must be familiar with - and Breakfast is the programme where they play: Pieces You Will Meet In Your Journey Into Classical Music (continuing into Essential Classics). With half the pieces falling into that category the entire programme loses its appeal for those who are Further Into Their Journey.

                As far as 'education' goes, the method seems to be to give as little information as possible - but just keep playing the pieces so that they become familiar.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • cloughie
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 22114

                  Originally posted by antongould View Post
                  You need to tell Clemmers not me Cloughie
                  Nah - she can get it from the thread if she wants it!

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                  • Bax-of-Delights
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 745

                    I tell you what "blows my head off".
                    The juxtaposition of Walton's Crown Imperial played on the organ followed a nano-second later by Isabel Bigley bellowing out "If I had a Bell" from Guys and Dolls. And I see from the playlist - as I had turned off at this point - that was followed by the Agnus Dei from Faure's Requiem.
                    Crass.
                    O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20570

                      Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                      Crass.
                      You might say it's a programme for idiots, run by ... gmbmbgrr..

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30235

                        Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                        The juxtaposition of Walton's Crown Imperial played on the organ followed a nano-second later by Isabel Bigley bellowing out "If I had a Bell" from Guys and Dolls. And I see from the playlist - as I had turned off at this point - that was followed by the Agnus Dei from Faure's Requiem.
                        And I know. Because I was there. Unable to switch it off.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Bax-of-Delights
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 745

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          And I know. Because I was there. Unable to switch it off.
                          You were there, FF? At the BBC? Having a cup of tea with Clemmie?
                          O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30235

                            Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                            You were there, FF? At the BBC? Having a cup of tea with Clemmie?
                            Certainly not! I was here, but on the leg extension machine, remotely situated from the remote . It was the original cast of Guys and Dolls but the singing was painful. In My Humble Opinion, of course.

                            I can understand people having very wide tastes in music (sort of). But I can't understand how they could hop about from one extreme to another every five minutes, including classical, other than just to have any old thing pumping into their brains.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Certainly not! I was here, but on the leg extension machine
                              Didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition, did you?


                              (Actually, who needs the Rack, the Iron Lady, Thumbscrews etc when there's unmutable Breakfast? I'd confess to anything!)
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • amateur51

                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                Didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition, did you?


                                (Actually, who needs the Rack, the Iron Lady, Thumbscrews etc when there's unmutable Breakfast? I'd confess to anything!)

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