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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26523

    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
    Any chance this thread could be merged with, say, "Scotland to charge for plastic bags", at least until all the feverish excitement dies down?
    Absolutely none!

    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • Radio64
      Full Member
      • Jan 2014
      • 962

      Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
      Any chance this thread could be merged with, say, "Scotland to charge for plastic bags", at least until all the feverish excitement dies down?
      HAHAHA .. love the humour generated by this thread .. you couldn't make it up.

      I'm off to listen to Breakfast again .. on Listen again ..
      "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20570

        Originally posted by MLF View Post
        I agree, Sir. CBH is, for me, in a select group of two presenters who make me switch off (the other being SR). In my glorious reign, PT and IS would share breakfast duties, with SK and... wait for it... SMP covering In Tune. ( I maintain SMP is wasted on the dreadful "The Choir", but would do rather well on In Tune).
        It isn't the presenters that's the issue. It's the programme itself. As for SM-P being 'wasted on the dreadful "The Choir"', she was the one who dragged this previously excellent programme down into the gutter.

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        • Radio64
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          • Jan 2014
          • 962

          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          It isn't the presenters that's the issue.
          that's good to know.
          "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30235

            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            this previously excellent programme
            To be fair, it was never the same once they abolished Choirworks on the grounds that 90 minutes of choral music was a bit of a no-no on Sundays. And I don't think presenters can do a lot to improve a duff format. The 'Breakfast' format [as in The Choir] is a duff format.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Black Swan

              I briefly tuned in even though, I said I wouldn't and got the Cambridge Buskers busking Rossini and then of course to hear as a new mother CBH is always looking for a good lullaby. Enough, on with the Madonna CD in the car....

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              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 20570

                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                To be fair, it was never the same once they abolished Choirworks on the grounds that 90 minutes of choral music was a bit of a no-no on Sundays. And I don't think presenters can do a lot to improve a duff format. The 'Breakfast' format [as in The Choir] is a duff format.
                Agreed on most points, but SM-P did make The Choir significantly more cringeworthy.

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                • clive heath

                  I'm wondering why the Godowsky piece played by Marc André Hamelin is missing from today's playlist.

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                  • MLF

                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    It isn't the presenters that's the issue. It's the programme itself. As for SM-P being 'wasted on the dreadful "The Choir"', she was the one who dragged this previously excellent programme down into the gutter.
                    Actually I think there are two issues: the presenters and the format. While the format is not what I would have chosen, it was rendered immeasurably better, IMHO by IS. As for SMP, I have enjoyed her work before - and I cannot believe she is the author of the current dreadful format of the Choir.

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20570

                      Originally posted by MLF View Post
                      Actually I think there are two issues: the presenters and the format. While the format is not what I would have chosen, it was rendered immeasurably better, IMHO by IS. As for SMP, I have enjoyed her work before - and I cannot believe she is the author of the current dreadful format of the Choir.
                      I'm sure she isn't the author, but she fires the bullets.

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26523

                        Originally posted by Radio64 View Post
                        I'm off to listen to Breakfast again .. on Listen again ..
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30235

                          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                          I'm sure she isn't the author, but she fires the bullets.
                          And I think the format probably imposes a certain presentational style. It certainly wouldn't be up to a presenter to 'decide' that programmes should include tweets or listener contributions (as voiceovers when music is playing).

                          My timings of Breakfast suggested that the 150-minute programme invariably had 30 minutes of presenter/speech contribution. And as the programme is intended, primarily, to appeal to (and not 'intimidate') new listeners we surely can't expect much by way of interesting input (notwithstanding IS's valiant - if not always strictly musical - bons mots). The Choir has gone the same way.

                          I would suggest that the Love/Hate relationships that (all?) radio listeners have with presenters is whether they establish a sympathetic rapport with their audience - and for me, the non negotiable is intelligence. I don't mean whether the presenters possess intelligence, but whether they communicate it. It seems that the brief is often not to do so.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • kernelbogey
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5735

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            [...] a sympathetic rapport with their audience - and for me, the non negotiable is intelligence. I don't mean whether the presenters possess intelligence, but whether they communicate it. It seems that the brief is often not to do so.
                            A useful distinction. But the brief would surely not be 'Don't present intelligently', but 'Present at the level of chat'. The sort of discourse one might have with a neighbour, however intelligent, while waiting for an early morning bus, maybe.
                            (EDIT: And of course Radios 1 & 2 have delivered big audiences in return for this formula.)
                            Last edited by kernelbogey; 11-06-14, 07:17. Reason: Afterthought

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                            • MLF

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              I don't mean whether the presenters possess intelligence, but whether they communicate it. It seems that the brief is often not to do so.
                              Nail on head.

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                              • Radio64
                                Full Member
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 962

                                Originally posted by MLF View Post
                                Nail on head.
                                OUCH!
                                "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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