The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

... I would argue against this in other cases (1812 and the finale of Symphony no. 4) where the structure justifies it.

Sorry? I need clarification here: you appear to be suggesting that "noise distract[ing] from the fact that nothing of value is being said" is "justified" by "the structure". Doesn't this imply that "the structure" is a shoddy mess to begin with?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Sorry? I need clarification here: you appear to be suggesting that "noise distract[ing] from the fact that nothing of value is being said" is "justified" by "the structure". Doesn't this imply that "the structure" is a shoddy mess to begin with?

You've been reading too many books by 1950s' critics.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

You've been reading too many books by 1950s' critics.

No; it was a genuine question (possibly needing a separate thread) and as a general point, not necessarily directed at Tchaikovsky. (The only books by 1950s' Critics I possess are Penguins - Eric Blom, Ralph Hill, Arthur Jacob and others.)

[Nick Armstrong]

No; it was a genuine question (possibly needing a separate thread) and as a general point, not necessarily directed at Tchaikovsky. (The only books by 1950s' Critics I possess are Penguins - Eric Blom, Ralph Hill, Arthur Jacob and others.)

Start that thread, ferns!!

In fact should this entertaining Tchaik exchange be moved there? Pity to let it languish in the Breakfast thread (where it shouldn't have been in the first place! )

[James Wonnacott]

Slightly OT but I heard by chance a bit of Classic FM this morning and the bloke was asking people to text in at 6.15 AM (UK time) to let him know why they were up so early !

Now that is daft ....

So they could hear their name on the radio of course!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

So they could hear their name on the radio of course!

Radio 3 hasn't quite sunk to this yet, but that's the way the management is pushing it.
Why?
Is it because they really believe there's no alternative?

[Old Grumpy]

Was Hopalong Cassidy really Billy the Kid?

Didn't hear that, but I did hear:

"... wonder if Richard Rodney Bennett is (my italics) a lover of football"

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Radio 3 hasn't quite sunk to this yet, but that's the way the management is pushing it.
Why?
Is it because they really believe there's no alternative?

I think this is it, Alpie. BBC (not just R3) management seems to have such little knowledge of (or confidence in) modes of Music broadcasting beyond that which gets huge audiences for Popular Musics that it cannot conceive of any different way(s) of doing it. This is why I don't have much optimism for the future of R3's style after Roger Wright has gone - I suspect (and I've never hoped I'd be proved wrong so much) that what many of us perceive as the deterioration of content will just continue, and, in, say, five years time the phrase "even Wright never stooped so low" will be a regular feature of this Forum.



You can see why I prefer discussions about the merits of various composers, can't you!

[Radio64]

Just looking at the Breakfast page on the off-chance ( ) and notice that the show, oops sorry programme, dates back to 2007.

Is it right that there was a sort of 'pilot' episode in July and then it started proper in September of that year?

just wondering..

[Old Grumpy]

Slightly OT but I heard by chance a bit of Classic FM this morning and the bloke was asking people to text in at 6.15 AM (UK time) to let him know why they were up so early !

Now that is daft ....

"Slightly OT" - no not really, but should probably be on the smooooooth Breakfast thread - a bit like soggy Weetabix!

OG

[vinteuil]

... just reading James Agate's 'Ego' vol 6 - a quote from William Glock in 'The Observer' for 4 July 1943 :

"Innumerable performances of Tschaikowsky's piano concerto fail to yield the elementary lesson that such music should be abandoned."

... more from Agate :

Sunday 15 August 1943

"... Clifford Curzon in the Grieg, of which, Nature exercising its sway, I heard only the first ten bars and the last. Woke up in time for Tschaikowsky's Francesca da Rimini - one of the rowdiest and emptiest display pieces in all music. It is worse than Liszt's bosh on the same subject... "

[Nick Armstrong]

Now vindoux, you are just spoiling me....

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

... just reading James Agate's 'Ego' vol 6 - a quote from William Glock in 'The Observer' for 4 July 1943 :

"Innumerable performances of Tschaikowsky's piano concerto fail to yield the elementary lesson that such music should be abandoned."

Fairly predictable from William Glock. He was the one who chose Tchaik-derider Pierre Boulez for the BBC SO. Having said that, I'd welcome another Glock to run BBC Radio 3

[french frank]

Just looking at the Breakfast page on the off-chance ( ) and notice that the show, oops sorry programme, dates back to 2007.

Is it right that there was a sort of 'pilot' episode in July and then it started proper in September of that year?

just wondering..

My memory is (and I've just checked some news items on the FoR3 archive) that Breakfast started in February 2007. But there's nothing before July 2007 because that's as far back as the BBC online archive goes. Check In Tune as well.