The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

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  • mercia
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8920

    yes, on Sunday we had twenty minutes of Mahler 6, I think Mr Handley even commented that we wouldn't normally hear it at that time of the morning

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    • Bax-of-Delights
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 745

      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      I'm enjoying the way 'Breakfast' has been slightly hoist on the petard of the current 3-a-day 'Proms Artist recommends' gimm..., er... concept (a selected Proms artist chooses 3 works, one each for playing on 'Breakfast', 'Essential Classics' and 'In Tune' respectively, for non R3 listeners )

      Several people have chosen wildly non-'Breakfast' fare - I'm currently enjoying some Myaskovsky, thanks to Vladimir Jurowski (OK, so it's only the last movement of his 27th Symphony.... but STILL... !!! )

      For 'Breakfast', Antoni Wit chose the Alpine (Alpen.... yeah yeah ) Symphony and Kiril Karabits chose Shostakovich 11

      Someone has written this on R3's Facebook page today:

      Hey! Miaskovsky on Breakfast? What went wrong? Great to hear the finale of the 27th symphony although, in my opinion, the first movement has one of the most beautiful "tunes" in all of his symphonic work. The whole symphony isn't that long and deserves an airing - but on which programme though? Breakfast, Essential Classics and In Tune only ever play bleeding chunks and single movements. Just where is your "new" audience going to find the more substantial - as in "complete" - works?
      O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26514

        Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
        Someone has written this on R3's Facebook page today:

        Hey! Miaskovsky on Breakfast? What went wrong? Great to hear the finale of the 27th symphony although, in my opinion, the first movement has one of the most beautiful "tunes" in all of his symphonic work. The whole symphony isn't that long and deserves an airing - but on which programme though? Breakfast, Essential Classics and In Tune only ever play bleeding chunks and single movements. Just where is your "new" audience going to find the more substantial - as in "complete" - works?
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26514

          Get your CDs / recordings of Through the Night ready, folks... Mr Hoban is returning to the Breakfast hotplate I see

          Not that I plan on being awake.
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30205

            There must be some method in't: Simon Hoban on last weekend, Tom McKinney this weekend. What's wrong with the regular Radio 3 presenters? are they all on holiday?
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Sir Velo
              Full Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 3225

              I'd never thought I'd say it: but give me Clemency any day over the Local/Hospital radio joker we have on this morning (in actual fact, CB-H has been consistently impressive as a Proms announcer this season: something else I thought I'd never say!).

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              • Black Swan

                Sir Velo,

                I totally agree. I woke this morning expecting to hear her presenting and was completed deflated to find SH again. I don't know if he is reading a script or not but his comments do make CB-H look good.

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                • teamsaint
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25190

                  Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                  I'd never thought I'd say it: but give me Clemency any day over the Local/Hospital radio joker we have on this morning (in actual fact, CB-H has been consistently impressive as a Proms announcer this season: something else I thought I'd never say!).
                  You are generous about CBH.

                  proms announcing isn't really that tough a job though, is it?
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30205

                    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                    proms announcing isn't really that tough a job though, is it?
                    Well, I did feel a bit for CB-H and AMcG who introduced the Urban Classic Prom for Radio 3 and who both seemed to make an effort to be, erm, hip for the youthful audience in the RAH. Their contributions were neatly cut out from the BBC Three broadcast and the concert started with the arrival of the Radio 1Xtra presenters.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Black Swan

                      Originally posted by Black Swan View Post
                      Sir Velo,

                      I totally agree. I woke this morning expecting to hear her presenting and was completed deflated to find SH again. I don't know if he is reading a script or not but his comments do make CB-H look good.
                      If the idea of having Simon H. present is to draw in a young audience they have missed the mark. Most teenagers/20+ year olds are not up on Saturday or Sunday morning much less listening to R3.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30205

                        Originally posted by Black Swan View Post
                        If the idea of having Simon H. present is to draw in a young audience they have missed the mark. Most teenagers/20+ year olds are not up on Saturday or Sunday morning much less listening to R3.
                        I lost a post somewhere: it was billed as being Tom McKinney, not Simon Hoban.

                        I don't think it's necessarily to attract an audience that young; more the 30-54 year olds. They seemed to be the ones targeted by the BBC Trust 'research': find out what would make them listen to Radio 3, then make sure they're given it.

                        What many listeners would like, in any case, is to be told what is going to be played on the programme, not that Saturday's playlist 'will be put up by noon on Monday.'
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Sir Velo
                          Full Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 3225

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          I don't think it's necessarily to attract an audience that young; more the 30-54 year olds. They seemed to be the ones targeted by the BBC Trust 'research': find out what would make them listen to Radio 3, then make sure they're given it.
                          I'm in that age group. It does not appeal to me in the slightest.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30205

                            Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                            I'm in that age group. It does not appeal to me in the slightest.
                            But you're already listening, and you'll still count in the listening figures unless you stop listening entirely ... The gamble is that there'll always be something that you (and listeners like you) want to listen to each week. One quarter hour slot per week (and only 5 continuous minutes of that slot), and you're 'a Radio 3 listener' for that week.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Black Swan

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              I lost a post somewhere: it was billed as being Tom McKinney, not Simon Hoban.


                              What many listeners would like, in any case, is to be told what is going to be played on the programme, not that Saturday's playlist 'will be put up by noon on Monday.'
                              I've already complained about the lack of posting of programme in the Early Music Thread.

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                              • Anna

                                Originally posted by Black Swan View Post
                                If the idea of having Simon H. present is to draw in a young audience they have missed the mark. Most teenagers/20+ year olds are not up on Saturday or Sunday morning much less listening to R3.
                                I thought they were aiming for the young families audience (mother at home with toddlers?) but possibly I'm wrong.
                                I still listen to bits of Breakfast but hate the appeals to text, email. I think it was early this week there was a piece by Vieuxtemps played, followed by the (yawn!) usual 'famous Belgians' joke and text about any Belgian you can think of except Henri .... It's all rather tedious.

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