The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[Richard Tarleton]

Just heard him for the first time... he is a bit of an early-morning nightmare, isn't he? That old 'if we get someone to talk in a sing-song way with a regional accent we won't put anyone off' BBC formula for accessibility that actually sounds as if he's trying to coax a ward of trauma victims to take their meds without everybody panicking... Dear oh dear...

I nearly dropped my coffee when he said Sir Charles Mackerras died in 2005. Fortunately someone put him right.

[Nick Armstrong]

Have you been taking your meds? What are you doing up at 07.13?

Panicking !

[clive heath]

.........................has anyone taken the gentle hint that if you don't want to be Simonized you could do worse than switch to Radio2 for Brian Matthew on a Saturday morning? I listed the advantages in presentation earlier in this thread. Last weekend's playlist included Canned Heat with "On the Road Again" containing that tortuous vocal and uncannily similar phrases to "Green Onions", Etta James singing "At Last", Mary Wells' "My Guy" which in turn has what seemed to be a phrase from "Canadian Sunset" included and T-Bone Walker sang a blues which has no less than three obbligato instruments commenting on the lyrics! His guitar, a piano and muted trumpet were all in the mix.... and you've got two days left on i-player.

[AndyJW]

I've recently bought a small DAB radio for my bathroom and got p****d off with all the tweeting etc. so tuned to Radio 4 extra and enjoyed my shower listening to 'Hancock's Half Hour' - wonderful!

[teamsaint]

.........................has anyone taken the gentle hint that if you don't want to be Simonized you could do worse than switch to Radio2 for Brian Matthew on a Saturday morning? I listed the advantages in presentation earlier in this thread. Last weekend's playlist included Canned Heat with "On the Road Again" containing that tortuous vocal and uncannily similar phrases to "Green Onions", Etta James singing "At Last", Mary Wells' "My Guy" which in turn has what seemed to be a phrase from "Canadian Sunset" included and T-Bone Walker sang a blues which has no less than three obbligato instruments commenting on the lyrics! His guitar, a piano and muted trumpet were all in the mix.... and you've got two days left on i-player.

Sounds of the Sixties is indeed a decent option . iplayer for the previous nights "World on 3" is another.

On Breakfast this morning they are soliciting that listeners tweet their holiday listening lists.

I REALLY hope KipperKid is listening..........

[KipperKid]

Sounds of the Sixties is indeed a decent option . iplayer for the previous nights "World on 3" is another.

On Breakfast this morning they are soliciting that listeners tweet their holiday listening lists.

I REALLY hope KipperKid is listening..........

I'll get tweeting

[cloughie]

Sounds of the Sixties is indeed a decent option .

ts - a youngster like you can learn a lot from Sounds of the 60s - good tunes, early prog, the roots of punk and the birth of folk-rock.

[teamsaint]

ts - a youngster like you can learn a lot from Sounds of the 60s - good tunes, early prog, the roots of punk and the birth of folk-rock.

wise words Cloughie. I do remember " hey Jude" being in the charts, but thats about it.
It is a good show,with sometimes interesting and unusual records.
Must remind my kids that I am a Youngster !!!!!!

[mercia]

probably not specifically a breakfast thing, but as soon as webman gets to work I hope he will change Donald RUNNIGLE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036j8fy/live

[cloughie]

probably not specifically a breakfast thing, but as soon as webman gets to work I hope he will change Donald RUNNIGLE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036j8fy/live

Almost looks like we could search for a dictionary definition - A runnigle? A cross between a run and a wiggle.

[french frank]

O mio babbino caro
Va pensiero
The Lost Chord
Calling all workers
Beatus vir
Pavane pour une infante défunte
one movement from 'The Lark'
one movement from Mozart's 3rd VC
one movement from Weber clarinet concerto
one movement from Bach oboe concerto
Firebird
touch of Pomp and Circumstance
a plethora of jazzy pieces from Satie, Kapustin and (the real thing) from Chick Corea
something for the xylophone called 'Gee Whizz!'

The problem seems to be that what is deemed to 'broaden the horizons' for one person has another reaching for a CD. Most mornings.

[underthecountertenor]

O mio babbino caro
Va pensiero
The Lost Chord
Calling all workers
Beatus vir
Pavane pour une infante défunte
one movement from 'The Lark'
one movement from Mozart's 3rd VC
one movement from Weber clarinet concerto
one movement from Bach oboe concerto
Firebird
touch of Pomp and Circumstance
a plethora of jazzy pieces from Satie, Kapustin and (the real thing) from Chick Corea
something for the xylophone called 'Gee Whizz!'

The problem seems to be that what is deemed to 'broaden the horizons' for one person has another reaching for a CD. Most mornings.

What an odd post. It comes out of nowhere, with no explanation. One might infer that it was a complete (albeit paraphrased for effect) playlist from a Breakfast programme. But one would be wrong, since the full playlist for this morning (25 items against the 16 listed) also included, amongst other things, Tomkins's When David Heard, a Sonata a 6 by Lazzari (which in my book is a rarity), Vaughan Williams's Antiphon. But I suppose including those items would detract from your argument. Best not mention them, then.

I am afraid that I am no fan of SMP's style, or indeed her and her producers' choice of music, in Breakfast (she is better elsewhere, for example on Hear and Now, but her tone strikes me as an odd mix of the childish and the patronising in this context). Indeed I no longer listen when she is presenting (PT and, at weekends MH - but no one else - remain fine for me). But I do think that you should present your argument fairly.

[antongould]

What an odd post. It comes out of nowhere, with no explanation. One might infer that it was a complete (albeit paraphrased for effect) playlist from a Breakfast programme. But one would be wrong, since the full playlist for this morning (25 items against the 16 listed) also included, amongst other things, Tomkins's When David Heard, a Sonata a 6 by Lazzari (which in my book is a rarity), Vaughan Williams's Antiphon. But I suppose including those items would detract from your argument. Best not mention them, then.

I am afraid that I am no fan of SMP's style, or indeed her and her producers' choice of music, in Breakfast (she is better elsewhere, for example on Hear and Now, but her tone strikes me as an odd mix of the childish and the patronising in this context). Indeed I no longer listen when she is presenting (PT and, at weekends MH - but no one else - remain fine for me). But I do think that you should present your argument fairly.

I did listen at least before I had to start work and I think it is a little unfair to send out that list .................they also played the Daniil Trifonov encore from last night's Prom. The gent who phoned in wasn't bbm (again!) was it?

[Black Swan]

After this morning I am totally now disgusted by SMP. I head more jazz and other things of non-interest to me this morning than I have heard for awhile. We do know that Beatus Vir is one of her favorites. I used to defend her but am now really disgusted by the music she and her producers dish up. For me not palatable. I know others may disagree.

[french frank]

What an odd post. It comes out of nowhere, with no explanation.

This is 'The Eternal Breakfast Debate' thread on the Playlist Forum. Many people expect posts to be about the Breakfast programme. And this does refer to this morning's programme.

One might infer that it was a complete (albeit paraphrased for effect) playlist from a Breakfast programme. But one would be wrong, since the full playlist for this morning (25 items against the 16 listed) also included, amongst other things, Tomkins's When David Heard, a Sonata a 6 by Lazzari (which in my book is a rarity), Vaughan Williams's Antiphon. But I suppose including those items would detract from your argument. Best not mention them, then.

No, best not mention them because 16 out of 25 is a pretty hefty percentage of the whole.

I am afraid that I am no fan of SMP's style, or indeed her and her producers' choice of music, in Breakfast (she is better elsewhere, for example on Hear and Now, but her tone strikes me as an odd mix of the childish and the patronising in this context). Indeed I no longer listen when she is presenting (PT and, at weekends MH - but no one else - remain fine for me). But I do think that you should present your argument fairly.

I don't think many people would expect 16 items to be a complete playlist of the Breakfast programme these days. It's absurd to think anyone would relish sitting through snippets, warhorses, and eccentric non classical pieces in order to hear a few minutes of Tomkins and Lazzari - but that's just my personal view.