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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by mercia View PostSPM must be knowledgeable, she has a Cambridge 1st (hons) in music and a Masters in musicology[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostShe is: she did an excellent Discovering Music on the "Brandenburg" Concertos a few years ago that was splendidly in ythe best traditions of Tovey, Bernstein or Hopkins: demonstrating the workings of the Music for a general audience without the least hint of "talking down" to them. Her work on Hear & Now is usually excellent, too, and she's a very good interviewer and chairwoman of public discussions. It's only between dawn and dusk that she assumes the irritating ditsy persona that so many of us despise.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostIt's only between dawn and dusk that she assumes the irritating ditsy persona that so many of us despise.
There's some excellent, trenchant writing on this Forum this morning!"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Richard Tarleton
Originally posted by antongould View Post....not talking of the wonderful SMP of course....
BTW my campaign has moved to a new level. Interesting developments.
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Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View PostI believe she is the only R3 presenter to pronounce Tárrega correctly (not counting Ms Bott and Ms Skeaping who would never have cause to use the word but would doubtless get it right if they had to ) so she has my vote.
BTW my campaign has moved to a new level. Interesting developments.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven View PostWhat's wrong with modernising and sustaining Radio 3 for future generations?
If the BBC Trust says that their evidence suggests that 'some audiences perceive Radio 3 to be little inaccessible and daunting at times', that is surely no bad thing? Radio 3 should be completely inaccessible and daunting to 'some people' in just the way that Radio 1 and BBC Three are. All services are not for all people.
As James Corden said of John Humphrys' criticisms of BBC Three:
"Him talking about BBC Three is like him reviewing CBeebies.
"This not a channel for him, it is not a channel that he should even ever watch. In fact, if he doesn't watch it, and he doesn't like it, it is doing everything it should."
So why are we not allowed to say if SOME people find Radio 3 a little inaccessible and daunting (at times), "It's not a station for them; if they find it daunting and inaccessible it's doing everthing it should?" I can hear the lynch mob galloping in already ...
Is dumbing down the same as modernising?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Beef Oven
Originally posted by french frank View Post
So why are we not allowed to say if SOME people find Radio 3 a little inaccessible and daunting (at times), "It's not a station for them; if they find it daunting and inaccessible it's doing everthing it should?"
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Originally posted by Beef Oven View PostBecause we will only manage to re-create an audience in our own image. A very narrow and un-diverse, white middle class audience. Elitism at its worse.
If classical music has become marginalised, how much is that due to a BBC which used to include concerts routinely on mainstream services (there were Proms concerts on the old Home Service)? And the amount of light orchestral music has been reduced on Radio 2. Now even BBC Two is only going to have 'highlights' of the Proms and the type of concert that would have been on Two will now be broadcast on Four. It means that classical music is not something people will encounter by accident, just by sticking to their usual TV channel or radio station: they have venture over to the special ghetto of Radio 3 where all those 'elitists' hang out.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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I was half-way through replying to Beef when I pressed the wrong button and lost the lot. What FF says plus
A) I'm white
B) I'm middle-class (but I'll post a piccie of my grandfather's Birmingham back-to-back where he died in abject working-class poverty if that helps)
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C) I love elitism in music. It gives me a sense of belonging. Pure and simple.O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!
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Originally posted by Beef Oven View PostBecause we will only manage to re-create an audience in our own image. A very narrow and un-diverse, white middle class audience. Elitism at its worse.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven View PostBecause we will only manage to re-create an audience in our own image. A very narrow and un-diverse, white middle class audience. Elitism at its worse.
I wouldn't be surprised if the future audiences for Musics beyond the commercial mainstreams arise from the Internet: YouTube, Spotify, Music Blogs et al. I have no idea what will happen to the BBC orchestras.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostI wouldn't be surprised if the future audiences for Musics beyond the commercial mainstreams arise from the Internet: YouTube, Spotify, Music Blogs et al. I have no idea what will happen to the BBC orchestras.
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