Opera Lovers unite against the ROH and the BBC in unholy alliance

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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30509

    #31
    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
    It's hard to imagine that a savvy ROH audience won't come up with a way of dealing with this.
    Let's hope so. I'd recommend slow hand-clapping until they gave in and agreed to go on to Act 3 - a bit disruptive for them, but not as disruptive as sitting through a wannabe novice (i.e. not even a novice) conducting a repeat of Act 2. The entire audience is in the box seat on this occasion, surely?

    What lunatic mind could have come up with the thought: Look, while we've got the Act 2 scenery in place, why don't we ... ? It's the BBC acting the bully again (even if some people are only too ready to kowtow), as with shoving Choral Evensong all over the place just to fit in with the R3 schedules.


    Nice pic...
    Last edited by french frank; 03-05-12, 08:30. Reason: Added picture
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Anna

      #32
      Looking at the BBC webpage for the programme it says:
      In a climax gala concert the four students must each conduct an operatic aria in full, with the orchestra of the Royal Opera House deciding which conductor will leave the competition.


      So, it's just one aria, not the whole of Act 2 Which is still dreadful for those attending and, for continuity of the tv programme, news of the winner will of course leak out whereas it won't be revealed to viewers until the final episode on May 18th. None of it makes any sense at all. If Prommer does attend we really need a detailed account of the event!

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30509

        #33
        Originally posted by Anna View Post
        Looking at the BBC webpage for the programme it says:
        In a climax gala concert the four students must each conduct an operatic aria in full, with the orchestra of the Royal Opera House deciding which conductor will leave the competition.


        So, it's just one aria, not the whole of Act 2 Which is still dreadful for those attending and, for continuity of the tv programme, news of the winner will of course leak out whereas it won't be revealed to viewers until the final episode on May 18th. None of it makes any sense at all. If Prommer does attend we really need a detailed account of the event!
        Isn't that the round to decide who the winner is? Then the winner conducts the whole act?
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Prommer
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 1272

          #34
          I am attending, and will render a full account, I can assure you!

          The event on Saturday will be the winner of the whole thing (who has already been chosen) conducting the whole of Act II, all 20 minutes of it. There is a time lag, as the opening programme of Maestro only airs this Friday. And the ROH and BBC have already expressed to us the hope that those who attend will not revel, sorry reveal, who won. Ha bloody ha! They've got a cheek, you must give 'em that.

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          • underthecountertenor
            Full Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 1586

            #35
            I'm a Friend of the ROH, and have enjoyed the fact that they've been riding high under Tony Pappano's musical directorship and Tony Hall's canny leadership - until this season. A succession of flops (the worst being the terrible Miss Fortune), a terrible online booking service with only the most mealy-mouthed apologies forthcoming whenever it crashes, and now this. I'm only thankful that they re-scheduled this fiasco - it was originally down for tonight, for which I have tickets (having booked before it was originally announced). I can't begin to imagine what Semyon Bychkov must think of it.
            In short, they've had a Chelsea of a season. I am now hoping against hope that Les Troyens and Otello are season-end triumphs (I say nothing here of the Champions' League).

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37851

              #36
              Originally posted by Prommer View Post
              I am attending, and will render a full account, I can assure you!

              The event on Saturday will be the winner of the whole thing (who has already been chosen) conducting the whole of Act II, all 20 minutes of it. There is a time lag, as the opening programme of Maestro only airs this Friday. And the ROH and BBC have already expressed to us the hope that those who attend will not revel, sorry reveal, who won. Ha bloody ha! They've got a cheek, you must give 'em that.
              Well all the best, Prommer, is all I can say. I would try and arrange a whip round to pay for your ticket, but...

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30509

                #37
                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                Well all the best, Prommer, is all I can say. I would try and arrange a whip round to pay for your ticket, but...
                Advertise it on ebay as the hot ticket to attend the finale of Maestro at the Opera. They don't have to watch the boring bits with the unknown conductor.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Stunsworth
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1553

                  #38
                  Originally posted by NickWraight View Post
                  I do become rather tired with the ROH attempting to become accessible and 'out there' (yuck) by increasing access
                  Crikey, you mean they allow the lower orders in? The world's gone mad.
                  Steve

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                  • ahinton
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 16123

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                    In one way I’m surprised from a musicianship aspect that Sir Mark Elder has got involved with the programme. On the other hand Sir Mark does seem to love the limelight especially television coverage of himself.
                    You are not alone in this - and he didn't used to do that kind of thing...

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                    • Panjandrum

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Stunsworth View Post
                      Crikey, you mean they allow the lower orders in? The world's gone mad.
                      Can you imagine someone whose standard diet is BeastlyBenders and other indigestible fare actually queuing to consume 3 hours of undiluted warbling?

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                      • Anna

                        #41
                        Act 2 is quite short I think - around 20 minutes? And it has to be filmed in one go with no re-takes. Will this extra 20 mins have an impact on those having to catch trains back to the Provinces?

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                        • Frances_iom
                          Full Member
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 2418

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Stunsworth View Post
                          Crikey, you mean they allow the lower orders in? The world's gone mad.
                          dead right - every since the refit the bums on seats in upperslips no longer fit (literally) - they being the ones who needed the 93 stairs in old house.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30509

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Anna View Post
                            Act 2 is quite short I think - around 20 minutes? And it has to be filmed in one go with no re-takes. Will this extra 20 mins have an impact on those having to catch trains back to the Provinces?
                            Don't forget there will be the 20 mins plus, and then they have to change the scenery for Act 3. And it seems to be the time it would take for the change from Act 3 back to Act 2 which they explained as the reason for putting the new maestro on the podium earlier.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26575

                              #44
                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Don't forget there will be the 20 mins plus, and then they have to change the scenery for Act 3. And it seems to be the time it would take for the change from Act 3 back to Act 2 which they explained as the reason for putting the new maestro on the podium earlier.
                              Pace your trusty robot, FF, the whole thing seems to be precisely what phrases such as

                              Mare's nest

                              Bugger's muddle

                              Shambles

                              and

                              B*ll*cks

                              were designed to cover.



                              I'm giving the entire charade a very wide berth.
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • amateur51

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                                Pace your trusty robot, FF, the whole thing seems to be precisely what phrases such as

                                Mare's nest

                                Bugger's muddle

                                Shambles

                                and

                                B*ll*cks

                                were designed to cover.



                                I'm giving the entire charade a very wide berth.
                                Elegantly put, as always Caliban

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