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  • Ein Heldenleben
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    • Apr 2014
    • 6783

    Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
    Thank you for this. The Telegraph article is certainly taking things a stage further, as well as pointing us to Bryn Terfel's petition:


    Having run a small-scale opera company, many years ago (performing such diverse rep. as Handel at the Bloomsbury Theatre and Rimsky-Korsakov at the King's Head in Islington!) I totally agree about the need to refresh the repertory and production in this way - theatre in the round, especially, ought to be developed operatically, as in has in Birmingham. But this has to be in addition to the larger opera houses, which need to be increased in number as bases from which to tour. What does Newcastle get at the moment, I wonder?

    I think everyone now has tumbled to the fact that ACE's suggestion to ENO of "get thee to Manchester" was nothing more than a convenient fraud, without any attempt to think it through, practically or fiscally. That is one reason (of many) why Serota must resign.

    Like you, I find "country house opera" distasteful, and decidedly retrogressive for music and theatre in this country. It's not about art at all.
    Don’t get me wrong I enjoyed going to Glyndebourne : but wearing a dinner jacket to opera rankles. One of the single most memorable opera experiences I’ve had was GTO on tour with Jenufa many years ago in Plymouth . A night where every thing came together - maybe 1 in 20 perfs are like that. Guess what following past cuts GTO don’t come to Plymouth any more.
    Thanks a bundle ACE ..l

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    • Barbirollians
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      • Nov 2010
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      Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
      Don’t get me wrong I enjoyed going to Glyndebourne : but wearing a dinner jacket to opera rankles. One of the single most memorable opera experiences I’ve had was GTO on tour with Jenufa many years ago in Plymouth . A night where every thing came together - maybe 1 in 20 perfs are like that. Guess what following past cuts GTO don’t come to Plymouth any more.
      Thanks a bundle ACE ..l
      Saw the same production in Sheffield - outstanding as was the Katya Kabanova they did either shortly after or before . GTO don't come here any more - Opera North seldom do and we get ETO once a year.

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      • Ein Heldenleben
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        • Apr 2014
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        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
        Saw the same production in Sheffield - outstanding as was the Katya Kabanova they did either shortly after or before . GTO don't come here any more - Opera North seldom do and we get ETO once a year.
        My word when you think how big Sheffield is …

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        • Master Jacques
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          • Feb 2012
          • 1883

          Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
          My word when you think how big Sheffield is …
          Quite so. A German city that size would have a major Stadtstheater, AND the Crucible!

          As for Glyndebourne, I personally wear a perfectly normal suit, as it seems more and more people do. Nobody bats an eyelid, to be fair.

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          • Ein Heldenleben
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            • Apr 2014
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            Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
            Quite so. A German city that size would have a major Stadtstheater, AND the Crucible!

            As for Glyndebourne, I personally wear a perfectly normal suit, as it seems more and more people do. Nobody bats an eyelid, to be fair.
            A German journalist once came to Plymouth and asked which was the best Opera house …

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            • ChandlersFord
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              • Dec 2021
              • 188

              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
              Saw the same production in Sheffield - outstanding as was the Katya Kabanova they did either shortly after or before . GTO don't come here any more - Opera North seldom do and we get ETO once a year.
              Bizarrely, GTO continue to visit ……Stoke on Trent, of all places.

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              • Master Jacques
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                • Feb 2012
                • 1883

                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                A German journalist once came to Plymouth and asked which was the best Opera house …
                I'm going to steal that one, for my personal repertoire!

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                • ChandlersFord
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                  • Dec 2021
                  • 188

                  Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
                  It is frustrating. Opera has been popular when it's been given a proper shot. When we think that in Germany every town of the size of (say) Nottingham has its own, dedicated theatre and opera company, performing a wide repertoire of baroque, romantic and modern opera all year round at prices everyone can afford, there is no reason - apart from the cult of Anglo-American commercial pop music and television with which our country is uniquely cursed - why Liverpool, Nottingham or Sheffield deserve so much less than their German counterparts.

                  We choose not to maintain opera and the performing arts properly here, dimly assuming that somehow they jolly well ought to "stand on their own two feet", which very little good art in the West ever has. Good theatre, musical or otherwise, has almost always needed subsidy in one form or other. So every year we allow our people to slip deeper into spiritual poverty, without doing anything to address their physical poverty either - something Germany suffers from just as we do. The centre of Bayreuth is as run down as the centre of Matlock (a town of comparable size), but they have two opera houses, to keep civic pride and hope alive.

                  I didn’t think Matlock looked all that bad the last time I looked - certainly compared to some of the middens that surround it.

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                  • kuligin
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 230

                    Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                    A German journalist once came to Plymouth and asked which was the best Opera house …
                    When the World Cup was in Germany, a radio 5 commentator was based in Gelsenkirchen which has famous team Schalke O4. He was interviewing some one perhaps the mayor.

                    Interviewer: What else is Gelsenkirchen famous for?

                    Reply As well as Schalke we are proud of our Zoo and of course our opera house is well known for of its productions of Bel Canto Operas

                    Long pause from stupefied Radio 5

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                    • oddoneout
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                      • Nov 2015
                      • 9204

                      Not bad news for all? https://englishtouringopera.org.uk/n...sfer-programme
                      They come to this neck of the woods, and I notice that GTO is in the city next week. I think if I was into opera I could in theory attend several assorted performances a year in the city at sensible cost, and there are usually one or two other stagings elsewhere in the county from indigenous groups. Not bad going for a large rural county I feel, and probably just as well as travel down to London is slow and expensive and travelling elsewhere is that plus, for the most part, not easy.

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                      • Ein Heldenleben
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                        • Apr 2014
                        • 6783

                        Originally posted by ChandlersFord View Post
                        Bizarrely, GTO continue to visit ……Stoke on Trent, of all places.
                        Bizarre but curiously heart warming …

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
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                          • Apr 2014
                          • 6783

                          Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
                          I'm going to steal that one, for my personal repertoire!
                          I’m only second source but the primary source was a news editor..
                          Bremerhaven (pop 113,000) has a symphony orchestra . ‘Nuff said….

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                          • Ein Heldenleben
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                            • Apr 2014
                            • 6783

                            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                            Not bad news for all? https://englishtouringopera.org.uk/n...sfer-programme
                            They come to this neck of the woods, and I notice that GTO is in the city next week. I think if I was into opera I could in theory attend several assorted performances a year in the city at sensible cost, and there are usually one or two other stagings elsewhere in the county from indigenous groups. Not bad going for a large rural county I feel, and probably just as well as travel down to London is slow and expensive and travelling elsewhere is that plus, for the most part, not easy.
                            Suffolk is amazingly well off for classical music . Not just Snape / Aldeburgh and access to a reasonably lively scene in Norwich . The arc from Bristol, through Exeter ,Plymouth to Truro is comparatively a bit of a desert . Maybe the ENO should relocate to Taunton ?

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                            • LHC
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                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1557

                              Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                              I’m only second source but the primary source was a news editor..
                              Bremerhaven (pop 113,000) has a symphony orchestra . ‘Nuff said….
                              A reminder that Buxton (pop 22,115) has a beautiful opera house designed by Frank Matcham. Admittedly outside the annual arts festival the operas it put on are provided by touring companies, but it does show that opera is not anathema in all parts of the country.
                              "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
                              Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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                              • Master Jacques
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                                • Feb 2012
                                • 1883

                                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                                Suffolk is amazingly well off for classical music . Not just Snape / Aldeburgh and access to a reasonably lively scene in Norwich . The arc from Bristol, through Exeter ,Plymouth to Truro is comparatively a bit of a desert . Maybe the ENO should relocate to Taunton ?
                                As for Suffolk, you'll have noted that the excellent Britten Sinfonia lost 100% of its funding (total removal) in last week's ACE bomb blast?

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