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  • Conchis
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    • Jun 2014
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    Lohengrin (Covent Garden - new production)

    I saw today's matinee and had mixed feelings.

    The new production is only partially thought-through and the pervasive darkness that directors deem necessary for Wagner productions these days was present if hardly correct. There was a cliched attempt to make the Swan into a kind of swastika emblem in Act 3 but the politics of the production remained obscure. I'm long past the stage of buying programmes, so maybe a note there 'explained' the concept.

    Andris Nelsons is a conductor I struggle to warm to: I still carry the memory a self-indulgent Bruckner 4 he condcuted in Birmingham at the beginning of last year and Act 1 seemed to bear out most of my fears: his conducting lacked drama, failed to disguise the squareness of the score and proceeded at the same leaden and unvarying pace. I found it hard to stay awake. A pox on reflective 'pictorial' Wagner conducting: there is no excuse for it in this day and age! However, things improved in the final two acts and the chorus (it must be said) was magnificent.

    As to the casting: I'd never knowingly heard Klaus Florian Vogt before and I can't say I felt an immediate affinity with his blanched, almost asexual tenor. I also felt Nelsons was pulilng the orchestra right back out of consideration for him (he sang his arrival acapella, I swear!). I was annoyed at Kristine Opolais' indisposal but Jennifer Davis certainly seized her opportunity as Elsa and was a worthy substitute. I am a fan of Christine Goerke and she did not disappoint. The other principals were solid but unmemorable. Why did the Herald have a prosthetic leg?


    Anyone else seen it?
    Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 13-06-18, 17:23.
  • LHC
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    • Jan 2011
    • 1555

    #2
    Originally posted by Conchis View Post
    I was annoyed at Kristine Opolais' indisposal
    Kristine Opolais withdrew from the production because she was recovering from surgery.
    Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 13-06-18, 17:25.
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    • gurnemanz
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      • Nov 2010
      • 7381

      #3
      Going on Sunday. Last seen in the theatre as a student in Germany (Nürnberg) in 1970, so long overdue. Reviews are generall positive with minor misgivings. Telegraph headlined Jennifer Davis with "a star is born" and gave five stars. Looking forward to Georg Zeppenfeld who I really enjoyed as Gurnemanz in last year's Bayreuth Parsifal.

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      • underthecountertenor
        Full Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1584

        #4
        Originally posted by Conchis View Post
        I saw today's matinee and had mixed feelings.

        The new production is only partially thought-through and the pervasive darkness that directors deem necessary for Wagner productions these days was present if hardly correct. There was a cliched attempt to make the Swan into a kind of swastika emblem in Act 3 but the politics of the production remained obscure. I'm long past the stage of buying programmes, so maybe a note there 'explained' the concept.

        Andris Nelsons is a conductor I struggle to warm to: I still carry the memory a self-indulgent Bruckner 4 he condcuted in Birmingham at the beginning of last year and Act 1 seemed to bear out most of my fears: his conducting lacked drama, failed to disguise the squareness of the score and proceeded at the same leaden and unvarying pace. I found it hard to stay awake. A pox on reflective 'pictorial' Wagner conducting: there is no excuse for it in this day and age! However, things improved in the final two acts and the chorus (it must be said) was magnificent.

        As to the casting: I'd never knowingly heard Klaus Florian Vogt before and I can't say I felt an immediate affinity with his blanched, almost asexual tenor. I also felt Nelsons was pulilng the orchestra right back out of consideration for him (he sang his arrival acapella, I swear!). I was annoyed at Kristine Opolais' indisposal but Jennifer Davis certainly seized her opportunity as Elsa and was a worthy substitute. I am a fan of Christine Goerke and she did not disappoint. The other principals were solid but unmemorable. Why did the Herald have a prosthetic leg?


        Anyone else seen it?
        Saw the general rehearsal and thought it was terrific. I share none of your reservations, save that Vogt's voice was not immediately to my taste ('Heldentreble' as someone memorably put it), but he grew on me.
        Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 13-06-18, 17:26.

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        • Ein Heldenleben
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          • Apr 2014
          • 6754

          #5
          It also got a tremendous review from Hugh Canning in the Sunday Times . I agonised over whether over getting tickets when booking opened and am now agonising again but just can't face 4 1/2 hours in the stuffy auditorium. By the way I thought the general rehearsal wasn't open ? Going to the Boheme rehearsal tomorrow ....

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          • underthecountertenor
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            • Apr 2011
            • 1584

            #6
            Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
            It also got a tremendous review from Hugh Canning in the Sunday Times . I agonised over whether over getting tickets when booking opened and am now agonising again but just can't face 4 1/2 hours in the stuffy auditorium. By the way I thought the general rehearsal wasn't open ? Going to the Boheme rehearsal tomorrow ....
            Got a ticket to the general courtesy of a friend in the band. Felt v odd going to the opera at 10.45 am and leaving at 3.20 pm. But elevating nonetheless. Also,with so few people in the auditorium, delightfully unstuffy.

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            • Richard Tarleton

              #7
              Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
              It also got a tremendous review from Hugh Canning in the Sunday Times .
              When was this review, Heldenleben? I saw one in The Times by Richard Morrison on June 8.....

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              • Ein Heldenleben
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                • Apr 2014
                • 6754

                #8
                Richard - you are right . I read the Times digital edition and in fact read RM's review on Sunday not Hugh's who reviewed two entirely different operas .

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                • Ein Heldenleben
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                  • Apr 2014
                  • 6754

                  #9
                  Originally posted by underthecountertenor View Post
                  Got a ticket to the general courtesy of a friend in the band. Felt v odd going to the opera at 10.45 am and leaving at 3.20 pm. But elevating nonetheless. Also,with so few people in the auditorium, delightfully unstuffy.
                  ....in both senses of the word ?

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                  • underthecountertenor
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                    • Apr 2011
                    • 1584

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                    ....in both senses of the word ?
                    Absolutely! A large age range, and a very buzzy atmosphere.

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                    • Stanfordian
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 9309

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Conchis View Post
                      I saw today's matinee and had mixed feelings.

                      The new production is only partially thought-through and the pervasive darkness that directors deem necessary for Wagner productions these days was present if hardly correct. There was a cliched attempt to make the Swan into a kind of swastika emblem in Act 3 but the politics of the production remained obscure. I'm long past the stage of buying programmes, so maybe a note there 'explained' the concept.

                      Andris Nelsons is a conductor I struggle to warm to: I still carry the memory a self-indulgent Bruckner 4 he condcuted in Birmingham at the beginning of last year and Act 1 seemed to bear out most of my fears: his conducting lacked drama, failed to disguise the squareness of the score and proceeded at the same leaden and unvarying pace. I found it hard to stay awake. A pox on reflective 'pictorial' Wagner conducting: there is no excuse for it in this day and age! However, things improved in the final two acts and the chorus (it must be said) was magnificent.

                      As to the casting: I'd never knowingly heard Klaus Florian Vogt before and I can't say I felt an immediate affinity with his blanched, almost asexual tenor. I also felt Nelsons was pulilng the orchestra right back out of consideration for him (he sang his arrival acapella, I swear!). I was annoyed at Kristine Opolais' indisposal but Jennifer Davis certainly seized her opportunity as Elsa and was a worthy substitute. I am a fan of Christine Goerke and she did not disappoint. The other principals were solid but unmemorable. Why did the Herald have a prosthetic leg?


                      Anyone else seen it?
                      Personally I greatly admire Klaus Florian Vogt. I have heard him live on a couple of occasions in Berlin and I soon got used to his sweet and lyrical voice. A Wagner specialist he has been a regular at Bayreuth, debuting in 2007.
                      Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 13-06-18, 17:27.

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                      • underthecountertenor
                        Full Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 1584

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Stanfordian
                        Personally I greatly admire Klaus Florian Vogt. I have heard him live on a couple of occasions in Berlin and I soon got used to his sweet and lyrical voice. AWagner specialist he has been a regular at Bayreuth, debuting in 2007.
                        It's such an unusual voice and takes some getting used to, but he sings all the notes, sings in tune, has excellent diction and also has surprising reserves of power. We can do (and often have done) a lot worse these days.

                        If that sounds like damning with faint praise, it isn't meant to!
                        Last edited by underthecountertenor; 12-06-18, 13:07.

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                        • ARBurton
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                          • May 2011
                          • 331

                          #13
                          Anyone know if those nice people at Radio 3 were/will be there with their trusty microphones?

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                          • underthecountertenor
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                            • Apr 2011
                            • 1584

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ARBurton View Post
                            Anyone know if those nice people at Radio 3 were/will be there with their trusty microphones?
                            I don't know, but I'd be very surprised, and disappointed, if they don't broadcast it.

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                            • Conchis
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 2396

                              #15
                              I wonder how many people who claim to have 'enjoyed' this production saw WNO's vastly superior production of 2013?

                              There, the concept had been fully thought through and a firm commitment had been made to setting the opera during the First World War - I think the legend of the Angels Of Mons may have been an inspiration. Although probably done on a fraction of the cost of the ROH effort, that production had a coherence and a relatability sadly lacking in Covent Garden's current offering. It also had better ligthing: what, I ask, is the point of an expensive and elaborate set if you're going to bathe it in darkness most of the time?

                              I also stand by my comments about Nelsons: I find his reputaiton as a Romantic 'specailist' baffling and he was an especially poor fit for this opera, which lays no claims to being a great work of art, just a good, somewhat cheesy romance. Tbh, being a bit of a vulgarian doesn't hurt in this opera and that Nelsons manifestly aint - the moments that ought to have been heart-stopping, like Lohengrin's arrival, passed without a tremor. And Nelsons' worst tendnecy - a propensity to dawdle over detail - was too much in evidence throughout, but particualrly in Act 1. Georg Solti gives, for me, a near-definitive orchestral performance in his recording but he's no longer around: probably only Bychkov (whom I wish to God had conducted this!), of the current crop, could provide what's needed.

                              I take the points being made about Vogt but I fear I'll never like his voice, though he wasn't helped by the Barry Manilow/Neil Diamond outfit wished on him by Alden/the designer. I also like my Wagner tenors to sound vaguely masculine.
                              Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 13-06-18, 17:29.

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