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James Levine Suspended by The Met
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostI once had an unpleasant experience on my way to school at a railway station. I assume that the person I encountered was some sort of pervert. I won't give details, but I wasn't hurt. I ran away. I didn't report it - who would I have reported it to? I guess I must have been 12-13 at the time, and that was in the 1960s.
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Mine was in Liverpool. Looking at ff's learned article I supose I should have run off to the local cop shop, and walked in and said "I wish to report an incident under the Indecency with Children Act 1960" - but I didn't know that, nor would I have expected any action. On the scale of things it was at the lower end - but might have turned worse. I hope your experience wasn't a worse one - legs are useful!
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostYeah, somehow when my mum and dad told me not to talk to strangers, don't take sweets off people you don't know etc, it landed....... I got it.
This article makes for truly horrendous reading - I wouldn't suggest reading it immediately before intending to sleep - as it gives an insight into the scale of the problem.
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostYes - but it's different when 1) the people concerned aren't "strangers", and the abused do know their abusers; and 2) Mum & Dad are not only not around, but are coughing up money to ensure that their kids are being taught precisely by the person abusing them. (And if the abuse has been accumulating over a series of years of "grooming" by someone that the abused has been told by Mum & Dad to "do as they're told" with.)
This article makes for truly horrendous reading - I wouldn't suggest reading it immediately before intending to sleep - as it gives an insight into the scale of the problem.
https://ianpace.wordpress.com/tag/robert-king/
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostYes - but it's different when 1) the people concerned aren't "strangers", and the abused do know their abusers; and 2) Mum & Dad are not only not around, but are coughing up money to ensure that their kids are being taught precisely by the person abusing them. (And if the abuse has been accumulating over a series of years of "grooming" by someone that the abused has been told by Mum & Dad to "do as they're told" with.)
This article makes for truly horrendous reading - I wouldn't suggest reading it immediately before intending to sleep - as it gives an insight into the scale of the problem.
https://ianpace.wordpress.com/tag/robert-king/I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostI strongly suspect that the incidence of sophisticated grooming techniques has risen rapidly in the internet world.
Just a guess, but I would think that pre internet , a much greater proportion of abuse would have been of a more "!opportunistic" type.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostAs a general rule, of course - but the specific incidents mentioned in the article do not involve computers.
Could you give an example of what you mean, ts?
My point was really just that offending has surely become more sophisticated and organised by individuals. Pre internet, I would think that there would be more ( though not exclusively of course) offending where opportunity presented itself, rather than targets being actively sought out.. As I say, just an assumption, but In the cases I am aware of , evidence of sophisticated grooming doesn't seem to have been presented . But I haven't looked in depth, and in truth, don't really want to !I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostIt was really just in connection with the grooming thing. I'm sure you are right, that sophisticated grooming could easily lead to even greater confusion about what is going on, in the mind of the victim.
My point was really just that offending has surely become more sophisticated and organised by individuals. Pre internet, I would think that there would be more ( though not exclusively of course) offending where opportunity presented itself, rather than targets being actively sought out.. As I say, just an assumption, but In the cases I am aware of , evidence of sophisticated grooming doesn't seem to have been presented . But I haven't looked in depth, and in truth, don't really want to ![FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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"The cult of interpretive genius in which a single man can come to be seen as so gifted and important that institutions and systems will protect him for 40 years is connected to a view of sexual abuse that sees perpetrators as uniquely perverted predators rather than as the horribly predictable outcomes of the accumulation of power. In order to make and hear music in healthy ways, and think about sex in healthy ways, we must destroy and replace the insular star system and the dysfunctional and unjust accumulations of power it enables. In the end this is how I have resolved to understand the profound beauty I heard those years in Boston. What I heard was not simply “James Levine, conducting,” but all the brilliant musicians and singers who made those works come to life. They always mattered more anyway. A healthy musical culture would have known that. It would have taught me that alongside, or instead of, the cult of the great-man interpreter. A healthy musical culture would have valued working musicians—and new work and its composers and advocates—more than any individual star conductor paid millions of dollars annually."
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post"The cult of interpretive genius in which a single man can come to be seen as so gifted and important that institutions and systems will protect him for 40 years is connected to a view of sexual abuse that sees perpetrators as uniquely perverted predators rather than as the horribly predictable outcomes of the accumulation of power. In order to make and hear music in healthy ways, and think about sex in healthy ways, we must destroy and replace the insular star system and the dysfunctional and unjust accumulations of power it enables. In the end this is how I have resolved to understand the profound beauty I heard those years in Boston. What I heard was not simply “James Levine, conducting,” but all the brilliant musicians and singers who made those works come to life. They always mattered more anyway. A healthy musical culture would have known that. It would have taught me that alongside, or instead of, the cult of the great-man interpreter. A healthy musical culture would have valued working musicians—and new work and its composers and advocates—more than any individual star conductor paid millions of dollars annually."
https://van-us.atavist.com/silence-breaking
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Peter Gelb announced during an interval in yesterday's broadcast of Parsifal from the Met that the Music Director Designate, Yannick Nezet-Seguin, would assume his role as Music -Director a year earlier, commencing next season. Mr Gelb made no mention of James Levine, neither did his interviewer Mary Jo Heath.
I saw this production in a cinema relay first-time round, when Jonas Kauffman assumed the role of Parsifal. It remains the most successful production I have seen. Daniele Gatti conducted (slowly) then, but I thought Nezet-Seguin's brisker pace worked very well, even if the cast was not of the quality of that at the premier. The orchestra, as ever, is world class. In an interval interview Nezet-Seguin said that his experience of conducting Bruckner (in which he excels) is the perfect preparation for this work. So obvious, once one who knows makes the point.
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I saw the production in NYC with Kaufmann.
He was in a totally different league. Pretty bloody show - menstrual? Hymen-breaking? Blood-letting À verse
I didn't think the grail ceremonies had enough dignity, as if the producer lacked the courage to negotiate the whole myth / transcendental shtick.
But Kaufmann...............yes. He'll do.
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Originally posted by Belgrove View PostPeter Gelb announced during an interval in yesterday's broadcast of Parsifal from the Met that the Music Director Designate, Yannick Nezet-Seguin, would assume his role as Music -Director a year earlier, commencing next season. Mr Gelb made no mention of James Levine, neither did his interviewer Mary Jo Heath.
I saw this production in a cinema relay first-time round, when Jonas Kauffman assumed the role of Parsifal. It remains the most successful production I have seen. Daniele Gatti conducted (slowly) then, but I thought Nezet-Seguin's brisker pace worked very well, even if the cast was not of the quality of that at the premier. The orchestra, as ever, is world class. In an interval interview Nezet-Seguin said that his experience of conducting Bruckner (in which he excels) is the perfect preparation for this work. So obvious, once one who knows makes the point.
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