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  • Dave2002
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    • Dec 2010
    • 18045

    #16
    Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
    Just found the New York Times review by Zachary Woolfe (yes, the NYT allowed a critic to traipse to London for this one), and ZW is not impressed:



    Given that this opera is set to travel to the Met down the line, this may not bode well critically (unless Tommasini reviews it here rather than ZW giving it another go).
    The review seems muddled, but maybe that's a good reflection of the opera and production. I still have time to check it out, but I'm not convinced that it's going to be worthwhile.

    I can't remember whether it's going to be broadcast, either on radio or on TV. Has anyone checked that out yet? I'm not over keen on TV productions, as even a relatively poor live production is often better than one for TV, but the TV and radio versions (if available) would have the merits of cheapness.

    There are other reviews:



    Brittle, bullied and blackmailed into marriage, Marnie inspired a Hitchcock classic and now a new opera. Its composer Nico Muhly unravels a twisted tale of childhood trauma, toxic guilt – and a woman who is both hunter and hunted


    The Grauniad review looks as though it has borrowed from the NYT Review - or at least the reviewers have colllaborated.

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    • zola
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      • May 2011
      • 656

      #17
      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post

      I can't remember whether it's going to be broadcast, either on radio or on TV. Has anyone checked that out yet?
      See post 11 for radio details. As for a TV showing, you are being a tad optimistic ?

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      • Conchis
        Banned
        • Jun 2014
        • 2396

        #18
        The film's reputation as a masterpice has always baffled me. The production values are terrible and seriously undermine what Hitchcock was trying to achieve.

        Why did such a bankable director have to work on such an inadequate budget?

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        • Darkbloom
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          • Feb 2015
          • 706

          #19
          Originally posted by Conchis View Post
          The film's reputation as a masterpice has always baffled me. The production values are terrible and seriously undermine what Hitchcock was trying to achieve.

          Why did such a bankable director have to work on such an inadequate budget?
          Psycho apart, I have always felt Hitchcock to be incredibly overrated. They often have memorable bits that make you forget the tedious (and often plain bad) stuff in between. North by Northwest being a good example.

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          • underthecountertenor
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            • Apr 2011
            • 1586

            #20
            In the interests of balance: George Hall liked it (and so, for what it's worth, did I).

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            • Lento
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              • Jan 2014
              • 646

              #21
              Richard Morrison of the Times was unimpressed by the work (he refers to a score lacking passion, and to the turgid plot) although he compliments the performers.

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              • underthecountertenor
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                • Apr 2011
                • 1586

                #22
                Originally posted by Lento View Post
                Richard Morrison of the Times was unimpressed by the work (he refers to a score lacking passion, and to the turgid plot) although he compliments the performers.
                I tend to be unimpressed by the work of Richard Morrison.

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                • bluestateprommer
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3022

                  #23
                  Bernard Hughes at The Arts Desk is in the "unimpressed" column (as is Tim Ashley from The Guardian):

                  http://www.theartsdesk.com/opera/mar...9t-hit-heights (but at least the article is getting comments and discussion, which most classical music reviews tend not to)

                  The central relationship is compelling and there is some tremendous writing for the ENO chorus, but Muhly’s stylised opera lacks Hitchcockian suspense


                  One wonders if Nico Muhly will do some tinkering post-ENO, pre-Metropolitan Opera. If one critic points out issues in isolation, that's one thing, literally. But when multiple critics see similar flaws independently, then it's a better shot that they're on to something about the work.

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                  • Dave2002
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 18045

                    #24
                    Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
                    One wonders if Nico Muhly will do some tinkering post-ENO, pre-Metropolitan Opera. If one critic points out issues in isolation, that's one thing, literally. But when multiple critics see similar flaws independently, then it's a better shot that they're on to something about the work.
                    Hardly worth taking a flight across the pond to check out such a suggestion. The notion that critics work independently and without collusion may also be questionable.

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                    • underthecountertenor
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                      • Apr 2011
                      • 1586

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                      The notion that critics work independently and without collusion may also be questionable.
                      Agreed. As is the notion that they work without an agenda. In this case the negativity of many of the reviews is strikingly at odds with the audience reaction on first night, at which Muhly received an ovation which many contemporary opera composers would envy.

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                      • Dave2002
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 18045

                        #26
                        Originally posted by underthecountertenor View Post
                        Agreed. As is the notion that they work without an agenda. In this case the negativity of many of the reviews is strikingly at odds with the audience reaction on first night, at which Muhly received an ovation which many contemporary opera composers would envy.
                        Did you go? In the end I didn't, though I just ran out of time and spare days/evenings for that. Perhaps I'll have to take a flight to NY after all - please advise!

                        Maybe I should at least listen to the broadcast - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09hr3wj this Saturday, and then presumably on catch up.

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #27
                          Originally posted by NickWraight View Post
                          It might be worthy saying that the new Muhly opera is based on the book by Winston Graham (of Poldark fame) and not the Hitchcock film. I am going to the first stage / orchestral run through next Monday and will report back.
                          How was it for you, NW?
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • NickWraight
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 66

                            #28
                            ferney - apologies for the delay. The production was more than decent and I enjoyed the strong musical performances. There was a lack of drama due perhaps to the bright, colourful ("musical" like?) staging - very little atmosphere. Similarly the music which is not to say a lack of quality but more a shortfall in translating drama into the score.

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              #29


                              Listening to the broadcast last Saturday certainly gave me no grounds for disputing your "shortfall translating drama into the score" comment.
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • ahinton
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 16123

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                How was it for you, NW?
                                I think that I'd better not say how it was for me...

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