King Roger at the ROH and on R3

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  • LHC
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    • Jan 2011
    • 1579

    #46
    Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
    I tried to watch it on the ROH's YouTube channel but it wouldn't accept the code "Roger". Started watching the Polish TVP Kultura production instead. Very seductive music, but not surprised that Krol Roger didn't find this production's wild and orgiastic goings-on much to his liking. Maybe the ROH production did better in that respect? Just a word of caution: sound and picture weren't always in perfect sync, but not too much of a problem.
    ?

    The code advertised on the opera house site is for a digital booklet. The opera is available to everyone on Youtube. No code is required to watch it.
    "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
    Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #47
      Originally posted by LHC View Post
      The opera is available to everyone on Youtube. No code is required to watch it.
      Could you give a link to this, LHC, please - the only recording of the opera I can find on youTube is the TVP film Pianorak mentions.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #48
        Woops! Found it! It's not under "Szymanowski" or "King Roger", but under "Royal Opera House"!

        Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


        (The opera starts 31 minutes in.)
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        • Sir Velo
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          • Oct 2012
          • 3304

          #49
          Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
          Just checked and it's being broadcast at 1080p.
          I have to say that the broadcast quality was spot on. No drop outs and the sound and video were uniformly excellent - HD indeed! Subtitles worked well: discreet enough not to obstruct the image, but legible and literate.

          Interesting interval features with Pappano, the assistant director; and Holten and the stage designer. As one surmised, there was little intellectual or philosophical rationale behind the concept of the giant head. While undoubtedly a spectacular feature, its dominance on the stage, and the resulting reduction of the themes of the opera to just being about Roger's interior state of being became tiresome. One longed for the byzantine opulence that has been de rigueur for all previous productions.

          Moreover, Holten's explanation that it was necessary to "explain" the opera to audiences to my mind diminished the subtleties of the score and the libretto. When will opera companies realise that the original staging is as much a part of the vision of the opera as the music and libretto?

          Having said that, the cast were excellent, the orchestral playing precisely executed. Hard to believe only 3,000 views to date on YouTube!

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          • Oliver

            #50
            "Byzantine opulence"....yes, that is exactly what was missing. Holten's agenda is not that of the composer; his "explanation" is not of the opera itself but of a wayward misreading. And in this respect I'd be interested to learn why he replaced the throwing of flowers and garlands on the fire with the burning of books. Yet another tedious and totally inapproprite allusion to the Third Reich, I assume.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #51
              Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
              Hard to believe only 3,000 views to date on YouTube!
              An hour on, and it's reached 3847 - not bad at all for a video that's only been available for 40 hours.
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              • zola
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                • May 2011
                • 656

                #52
                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                An hour on, and it's reached 3847 - not bad at all for a video that's only been available for 40 hours.
                And many, such as myself, may have watched on Opera Platform as mentioned up thread.

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                • Pianorak
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3129

                  #53
                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  Woops! Found it! It's not under "Szymanowski" or "King Roger", but under "Royal Opera House"!

                  Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


                  (The opera starts 31 minutes in.)
                  Thanks ferney and LHC - Once more unto the breach . . .
                  My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                  • Flosshilde
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7988

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                    One longed for the byzantine opulence that has been de rigueur for all previous productions.
                    Not in the Mariinsky production I saw - definitely 20th century.

                    When will opera companies realise that the original staging is as much a part of the vision of the opera as the music and libretto?
                    Sounds like an quote from a black spider memo . I assume you only go to productions of Shakespeare at the Globe theatre (& then only to those that have boys playing the female parts?)

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                    • Roehre

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                      .... When will opera companies realise that the original staging is as much a part of the vision of the opera as the music and libretto?...
                      I have stopped going to see operas live, as I don't want to be tortured by IMO most of the time fully inappropriate OWN INTERPRETATIONS (read: political overlayer) of the director. Following the libretto and the score's stage directions suffice. Anything more is superfluous, distracting and most of the time a disservice to the music.
                      If an opera is too oldfashioned to attrack an audience when staged according to the original directions, then stop staging it in an opera house and stick to concert performances.

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                      • Sir Velo
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                        • Oct 2012
                        • 3304

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post



                        I assume you only go to productions of Shakespeare at the Globe theatre (& then only to those that have boys playing the female parts?)


                        I saw the short lived ESC's 80s production of Henry IV, replete with both armies bedecked in combats and fatigues. Hotspur was toting an AK47, sporting a t-shirt with the legend: "F@ck the French".

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                        • LHC
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1579

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Roehre View Post
                          I have stopped going to see operas live, as I don't want to be tortured by IMO most of the time fully inappropriate OWN INTERPRETATIONS (read: political overlayer) of the director. Following the libretto and the score's stage directions suffice. Anything more is superfluous, distracting and most of the time a disservice to the music.
                          If an opera is too oldfashioned to attrack an audience when staged according to the original directions, then stop staging it in an opera house and stick to concert performances.
                          Operas were written to be staged in opera houses, not performed in concert with a row of singers in dress suits singing behind music stands. A concert performance is just as much a 'betrayal' of the composer's original intentions as a performance in a modern production.
                          "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
                          Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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                          • vinteuil
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 13169

                            #58
                            ... the only opera I find enjoyable now-a-days is - at home, on CDs, ideally with score / libretto, and a decent bottle within reach. Can't be doing with the overweening ideas of directors (wrong! wrong! I shout, I hope in silence... ), nor the cost, nor the faff of Going Out.

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                            • David-G
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                              • Mar 2012
                              • 1216

                              #59
                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              ... the only opera I find enjoyable now-a-days is - at home, on CDs, ideally with score / libretto, and a decent bottle within reach. Can't be doing with the overweening ideas of directors (wrong! wrong! I shout, I hope in silence... ), nor the cost, nor the faff of Going Out.
                              Dear me, how depressing! You are missing out on some of the great experiences of life. In recent months I have been to some superb staged performances of opera: The Magic Flute at the ROH (one of the finest performances I have ever seen - I went four times!), The Mastersingers at ENO, L'Ormindo at the Sam Wanamaker, I have greatly enjoyed The Flying Dutchman, Andrea Chenier and Krol Roger at the ROH and (somewhat unexpectedly) The Indian Queen at ENO, and some marvellous rarities such as JC Bach's Amadis de Gaule at University College, and his Adriano in Siria and Handel's Giove in Argo at the RCM. And the concert performance of Smetana's Dalibor by the BBCSO at the Barbican was one of the most thrilling evenings I have spent for a long time.

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                              • Frances_iom
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                                • Mar 2007
                                • 2432

                                #60
                                Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                                ... the only opera I find enjoyable now-a-days is - at home, ....
                                I'm the opposite - an Opera is music + theatre - both are needed and no way can an home environment sound anything approaching the RoH (even the live broadcasts are just a pale imitation - I almost never listen to Opera Cds and seldom buy them these days - yes there are certain directors I tend to avoid tho even those with some past 'form' can turn out a spectacle (even when the original thrust of the work is grossly misinterpreted)

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