Strauss, Haydn and Beethoven

[amateur51]

Is it just me, or do people not now give a flying duck, or a tinker's cuss (if you are being politically correct) as to whether anyone is a 'homosexualist' or not?
Cannot we accept people for what they are? Either they are good, or not, if they are gay and crap, sobeit, if they are heterosexualiists and crap, so sobeit. There seems to be a lot of co-dependency going on here
(She who has done two psych modules at Cardiff Uni .......)

The British Attitudes Survey I referred to supports your claim, Anna.

[amateur51]

IIRC, Jeffrey Tate was the first gay conductor to go to receptions, award ceremonies etc with his actual life partner.

Of course

[Sir Velo]

I think that Dmitri Mitropoulos, Sir John Pritchard, Thomas Schippers and Michael Tilson Thomas got there a few decades before

And perhaps Britten & Tippett are special cases, not being full-time conductors

All these winks and grins - you're not a sufferer from Tourettes are you Twinkle Toes?

[amateur51]

All these winks and grins - you're not a sufferer from Tourettes are you Twinkle Toes?

My brother is.

[jayne lee wilson]

All these winks and grins - you're not a sufferer from Tourettes are you Twinkle Toes?

I wasn't going to contribute here, but SOMEONE has to remark that Ams has been treated unfairly after merely offering relevant elaboration of another remark, and that one or two comments including this one have been really offensive to him. Yet again we see the one-line habit, NOT gay issues themselves, hijacking a thread of some interest.

Now back to The Burrow of Temporary Resignation*. Thank you and GOODNIGHT!

*Don't feel THAT relieved. I'll be back!

[cloughie]

Is it just me, or do people not now give a flying duck, or a tinker's cuss (if you are being politically correct) as to whether anyone is a 'homosexualist' or not?
Cannot we accept people for what they are? Either they are good, or not, if they are gay and crap, sobeit, if they are heterosexualiists and crap, so sobeit. There seems to be a lot of co-dependency going on here
(She who has done two psych modules at Cardiff Uni .......)

Anna you're absobluddylutely spot on - sew up this thread and let's all get back to the music!

[pilamenon]

How depressing to see another thread hijacked by the usual inane banter. This is what puts me off bothering with these boards much these days.

Back to the concert... yes, as posted on the Edinburgh Festival thread, it was the most captivating account of the Eroica I have ever heard. We evidently like different approaches to Beethoven. I enjoyed the more pungent, woody sound, and the rhythmic flexibility that upset the distinguished contributors up thread. I doubt very much there's anything wrong with this fine orchestra. Though I do concede that in Beethoven 7 tonight YN-S did possibly overdo it a bit.

[cloughie]

How depressing to see another thread hijacked by the usual inane banter. This is what puts me off bothering with these boards much these days.

There's inane banter and more caustic stuff and I've switched off from the boards on more than one occasion because of it - and I'm on the verge again!

[EdgeleyRob]

I'll be back!

Good

[David-G]

I am not sure if anyone remembers that once upon a time, this thread was about an Edinburgh Festival concert. In case they do, and in case anyone is actually interested in the subject supposedly under discussion, I thought it might be helpful to copy here some views from the Edinburgh Festival thread which are of quite a different character from those expressed above.

Tonight, Radio 3 broadcast the best performance of Beethoven's 3rd Symphony I have ever heard - by the Chamber Orchestra of Europe conducted by Yannick Nezet-Seguin. The colour and character of the playing, woodwind and brass in particular, were a total joy throughout.
I would like to request a live Beethoven cycle from them, please, and am very eager to tune in for No 7 tomorrow evening!

We went to that concert and were blown away by it. The playing was superb, especially in the 'Metamorphosen'. The leader made a beautiful sound in the Haydn although it was not a huge sound. The following days concert was even better!

Absolutely! I also came away from this concert with the thought that this must be the best performance of the Eroica I had ever heard.

I would support pilamenon’s view above – we evidently like different approaches to Beethoven. There was much in this account – the clarity, the urgency - that derived from the “period performance” approach to Beethoven, and in my view it was all the better for it.

[Sir Velo]

How depressing to see another thread hijacked by the usual inane banter. This is what puts me off bothering with these boards much these days.

Please keep posting pilamenon, otherwise the wreckers will have won. In fact, I apologise for contributing to the inane bantering as you quite rightly put it. Sometimes, however, one has just had enough of some posters and has to make the point that they are ruining it for everyone else.

[Nick Armstrong]

Please keep posting pilamenon, otherwise the wreckers will have won.

[edashtav]

I am not sure if anyone remembers that once upon a time, this thread was about an Edinburgh Festival concert. In case they do, and in case anyone is actually interested in the subject supposedly under discussion, I thought it might be helpful to copy here some views from the Edinburgh Festival thread which are of quite a different character from those expressed above.
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I would support pilamenon’s view above – we evidently like different approaches to Beethoven. There was much in this account – the clarity, the urgency - that derived from the “period performance” approach to Beethoven, and in my view it was all the better for it.

Yes, high time to get back to the music and the way it was interpreted. I agree heartily with your final sentence - Beethoven benefits for clarity and urgency and Yannick produced a performance of high energy powered by many watts of electricity from his young and enthusiastic band. His heart was in the right place. However, there remain two major areas of concern: in, perhaps "going for broke", intonation, accuracy and instrumental colour became casualties from time to time, and, just as seriously to my mind, the structure and symphonic shape of the symphony were undermined: each bar was characterised as an entity and not as a small cog in a greater whole.

Kirill Karabits and his Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra are treading the Beethoven grapes in a fashion that has many similarities to Yannick's approach but they don't throw out the must with the grape-seed; KK has a long-term vision and, whilst he inspires perspiration from his players, he knows not to ask so much that intonation and other vital factors are sacrificed. Yannick's Beethoven was exciting, visceral and, no doubt, one could be caught up in the excitement of its moments in the Hall, but home, alone, cool and collected, some of us remembered times and performances past that offered all that without sacrifice.

The best music comes from a heart under orders from the brain.

[edashtav]

Furthermore, it occurs to me, and perhaps HS has said something on the lines before, that in these orchestras full of young players, essentially training orchestras, in which there are a lot of youngsters desperate to be noticed, it's difficult to subjugate oneself to the whole when that whole is unstable and subject to personnel churn and when the conductor, as in this case, is engrossed in the moment. "Look at Me" rules to the detriment of long term musical values and coherence,

[Tony Halstead]

Furthermore, it occurs to me, and perhaps HS has said something on the lines before, that in these orchestras full of young players, essentially training orchestras, in which there are a lot of youngsters desperate to be noticed, it's difficult to subjugate oneself to the whole when that whole is unstable and subject to personnel churn and when the conductor, as in this case, is engrossed in the moment. "Look at Me" rules to the detriment of long term musical values and coherence,

This is very odd, have you been using invisible ink, edashtav?
There is a gap at the start of your last sentence where the words 'look at me' are only visible when highlighted as if preparing to copy. This happens on all 3 browsers, IE, Chrome and Mozilla.