Strauss, Haydn and Beethoven

[vinteuil]

I think that Dmitri Mitropoulos, Sir John Pritchard, Thomas Schippers and Michael Tilson Thomas got there a few decades before

And perhaps Britten & Tippett are special cases, not being full-time conductors

... not forgetting Dame Ethel Smyth - nor yet Leonard Bernstein...

[Beef Oven!]

I think that Dmitri Mitropoulos, Sir John Pritchard, Thomas Schippers and Michael Tilson Thomas got there a few decades before

And perhaps Britten & Tippett are special cases, not being full-time conductors

Eddie wasn't openly gay.

[Anna]

The regional orchestras, by and large, seem about the same:
Liverpool, rather better.
Hallé, holding on.
Birmingham, much improved.
Bournemouth, also improved.
Ulster orchestra, still in there but struggling.
HS

Surprised you missed out the National Orchestra of Wales with Thomas Søndergård, who performed at the Proms, but of course, Wales isn't a region is it? ...... It is a major European Orchestra and, I think they do well well!

[amateur51]

Openly?

I can't tell what point you're trying to make. Mitropoulos was openly mocked for being gay by members of the NYPO and Bernstein ruthlessly used this fact to advance his own career with NYPO at Mitropoulos' expense; most people I know who worked with Sir John knew that he was gay and knew his partner; Thomas Schippers was gay but got married as was often the norm those days; and even Mandryka appears to have known about MTT

[Hornspieler]

Surprised you missed out the National Orchestra of Wales with Thomas Søndergård, who performed at the Proms, but of course, Wales isn't a region is it? ...... It is a major European Orchestra and, I think they do well well!

Well, I thought I had, Anna. If you look at my message #9 you will see that I said that they had greatly improved.

I included them with the other BBC orchestras and not my list of "Regional" orchestras. They were, after all, the BBC Welsh Orchestra at one time.

Anyway, here's another boost for them. They really are very good!

HS

[amateur51]

... not forgetting Dame Ethel Smyth - nor yet Leonard Bernstein...

I think that Lennie was scared of others knowing about his bisexuality in that he was married to a woman and had affairs with men) at various stages of his career. I omitted Dame Ethel and of course Marin Alsop as lesbians rather than gay men, which I understood was Beefy's focus.

[Hornspieler]

I think that Dmitri Mitropoulos, Sir John Pritchard, Thomas Schippers and Michael Tilson Thomas got there a few decades before

And perhaps Britten & Tippett are special cases, not being full-time conductors

I could name fifty.

When are we going to drop this tiresome subject?

It's getting into every thread now, like Dutch Elm Desease.


GIVE IT A BLOODY REST!

HS

[amateur51]

I could name fifty.

When are we going to drop this tiresome subject?

It's getting into every thread now, like Dutch Elm Desease.


GIVE IT A BLOODY REST!

HS

Calm down dear, you'll do yourself a mischief. It's an aspect of life that an authoritative annual survey (British Social Attitudes Survey) published today shows that the significant majority of the British public are happy with.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416573/Is-new-man-myth-Two-thirds-women-stuck-doing-laundry-men-insist-reserving-DIY-themselves.html

And I'm delighted that you could name fifty - I hope that you were nicer to them than you're being to Beefy & me

[Beef Oven!]

I can't tell what point you're trying to make. Mitropoulos was openly mocked for being gay by members of the NYPO and Bernstein ruthlessly used this fact to advance his own career with NYPO at Mitropoulos' expense; most people I know who worked with Sir John knew that he was gay and knew his partner; Thomas Schippers was gay but got married as was often the norm those days; and even Mandryka appears to have known about MTT

Once again the homosexualists have hijacked the discussion.

The point is, Yannick is a wonderful conductor and people need not hesitate in attending his concerts.

[amateur51]

Once again the homosexualists have hijacked the discussion.

The point is, Yannick is a wonderful conductor and people need not hesitate in attending his concerts.

All I did was to correct your erroneous impression. No hi-jacking involved at all.

I look forward to attending one of his concerts soon.

[Beef Oven!]

All I did was to correct your erroneous impression. No hi-jacking involved at all.

I look forward to attending one of his concerts soon.

1) I see you accept the sobriquet 'homosexualist' - wel done

2) Do try to see him, he really is a refreshing musician.

[Anna]

Is it just me, or do people not now give a flying duck, or a tinker's cuss (if you are being politically correct) as to whether anyone is a 'homosexualist' or not?
Cannot we accept people for what they are? Either they are good, or not, if they are gay and crap, sobeit, if they are heterosexualiists and crap, so sobeit. There seems to be a lot of co-dependency going on here
(She who has done two psych modules at Cardiff Uni .......)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

IIRC, Jeffrey Tate was the first gay conductor to go to receptions, award ceremonies etc with his actual life partner.

[Roehre]

.....Cannot we accept people for what they are? Either they are good, or not, if they are gay and crap, sobeit, if they are heterosexualiists and crap, so sobeit....

[Beef Oven!]

IIRC, Jeffrey Tate was the first gay conductor to go to receptions, award ceremonies etc with his actual life partner.

That is pretty 'openly'