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  • Black Swan

    #31
    I hope performances of Bartok are not waning. I love this composer. But I think he has in a way suffered I don't know why. I am one of those really odd birds and please board members don't hold this against me, but I am not a fan of Shostakovitch who gets lots of air time. This is just my personal preference. But I think allot of the play time is hyped by the orchestras, etc.

    J

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    • Vile Consort
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      • Nov 2010
      • 696

      #32
      Another great fan of BB here. I started listening to his works in my teens - largely spurred on by the supposed difficulty of the music - starting with Strings, Percussion and Celeste and continuing with the quartets and Bluebeard's Castle (which I saw at the Palace Theatre in Manchester whilst I was still at school).

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      • Vile Consort
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        • Nov 2010
        • 696

        #33


        But were any of you present for a performance of this work in the Free Trade Hall not long before it closed? Fabulous Hungarian bass, whose name I forget. And eight extra trumpets in the gallery for door 5. Who was conducting - Tortelier? Downes? It's funny how little you can remember of a concert other than that it was superb.

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        • Simon B
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          • Dec 2010
          • 782

          #34
          Originally posted by Vile Consort View Post
          But were any of you present for a performance of this work in the Free Trade Hall not long before it closed? Fabulous Hungarian bass, whose name I forget. And eight extra trumpets in the gallery for door 5. Who was conducting - Tortelier? Downes? It's funny how little you can remember of a concert other than that it was superb.
          Michele Kalmandi, Sylvia Sass, Halle cond Kent Nagano in April '95?

          "Red Ted" Downes did do it with the BBC Phil in the mid 80s - rather before my time, a pity in this case since from circa 1994-2004 this combination gave some of the most intense of the many performances of big C20 rep I've attended...

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          • mercia
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8920

            #35
            I don't know if Radio 3 thinks I'm listening to the Concerto for Orchestra at the moment - I'm sure I'm not

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26604

              #36
              Originally posted by mercia View Post
              I don't know if Radio 3 thinks I'm listening to the Concerto for Orchestra at the moment - I'm sure I'm not
              It was certainly announced as such. I had to switch off at that point, as I wasn't in the mood

              What in fact did I miss?
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • mercia
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                • Nov 2010
                • 8920

                #37
                The Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta

                "apologies for that - I'm pretty sure tomorrow we shall have the 3rd Piano Concerto." Fair enough.

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                • LeMartinPecheur
                  Full Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4717

                  #38
                  Returning to my OP, I've been trying to get some Bartok, especially a quartet, onto the menus for the Truro 3 Arts concerts that I help plan. We're already planning the 2015/16 season, but no success so far

                  It's not that my fellow-planners kick up rough when I mention the B-word, more that few if any ensembles are offering any
                  I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                  • richardfinegold
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                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7833

                    #39
                    I heard the 3rd PC here 2 years ago, but there was definitely more Bartok on the schedule when the Orchestra was headed by Solti or Reiner

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                    • gurnemanz
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7450

                      #40
                      One of my first classical LPs (still got) was Solti Concerto for Orch (glorious mono).

                      Bowled over by the PCs when I first heard them as a student umpteen years ago - this LP:



                      Memories of a very young Nigel Kennedy doing the the solo sonata in a church at the Bath Festival on his "second-hand fiddle".

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        #41
                        Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                        One of my first classical LPs (still got) was Solti Concerto for Orch (glorious mono).

                        Bowled over by the PCs when I first heard them as a student umpteen years ago - this LP:



                        Memories of a very young Nigel Kennedy doing the the solo sonata in a church at the Bath Festival on his "second-hand fiddle".
                        Couldn't afford such luxuries when I introduced myself to Bartok's work at about 15. I found the quartets upstairs in a Singer Sewing Machine shop (the Fine Arts Quartet), then got the 3rd Piano Concerto and the Viola Concerto (Supraphon) by ordering it from a long gone music shop in Eton. I also got the Sonata for 2 Pianos and Percussion from the same shop. That introduced me to Janacek's Concertino. Happy days. All bought with saved 'dinner money'.

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                        • Roehre

                          #42
                          Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                          Bowled over by the PCs when I first heard them as a student umpteen years ago - this LP:

                          And the accompanying one with the first concerto and the Rhapsodie opus 1

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                          • Dave2002
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 18062

                            #43
                            Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                            Returning to my OP, I've been trying to get some Bartok, especially a quartet, onto the menus for the Truro 3 Arts concerts that I help plan. We're already planning the 2015/16 season, but no success so far

                            It's not that my fellow-planners kick up rough when I mention the B-word, more that few if any ensembles are offering any
                            We had the 2nd String Quartet round here a few weeks ago - played by the Heath Quartet - http://www.ocms-music.org.uk/concert...string-quartet
                            I think there are still quartets and other ensembles willing to play Bartók's music.

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                            • Dave2002
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                              • Dec 2010
                              • 18062

                              #44
                              Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                              Suffolkcoastal: thanks for mentioning the Rumanian dances - I'd meant to exclude them from my strictures in my OP! It very nearly is possible to get sick of them

                              Presumably they do now count as 'popular' but maybe that's only because Bartok didn't acksherly write the chunes
                              They are quite fun to play (or try to) on the piano.

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                              • Maclintick
                                Full Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 1088

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Vile Consort View Post
                                Another great fan of BB here. I started listening to his works in my teens - largely spurred on by the supposed difficulty of the music - starting with Strings, Percussion and Celeste and continuing with the quartets and Bluebeard's Castle (which I saw at the Palace Theatre in Manchester whilst I was still at school).
                                Ditto. Teenage pocket-money saved for Bartok on 60's vinyl - Music for SPC on the Decca Argo label (ASMF/Marriner) coupled with the under-appreciated but wonderful Divertimento - & the piano & violin concertos with Entremont, Barenboim & Menuhin. The percussive dissonances of PC1 blasting through the house were as shocking as Hendrix or The Who to parents whose musical tastes ranged from Bach & Handel to the Viennese classics, & for whom Elgar was a "modern" composer. For my money, with Stravinsky, Debussy & Ravel, the Hungarian is a true 20th-century great ( makes mental note to engage more fully with the quartets....)

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