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  • Petrushka
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12417

    Bizarre R3 concert programming

    Why can't Radio 3 broadcast the Afternoon on 3 concerts 'as live' instead of chopping them up into bits?
    Last edited by Petrushka; 06-05-13, 17:56. Reason: clarification
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 38106

    #2
    Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
    Why can't Radio 3 broadcast the concerts 'as live' instead of chopping them up into bits?
    Because they figure that listener's attention spans have been so thoroughly recalibrated to excerpts and bc's by the morning schedulings that the latter would prove too much?
    Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 06-05-13, 15:51.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #3
      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
      Why can't Radio 3 broadcast the concerts 'as live' instead of chopping them up into bits?
      I have no idea, Pet - but I so wish they wouldn't! If performers go to the trouble of carefully putting together a balanced programme, it's nothing but a crass disrespect to their artistry to mangle the items with others. Is it just to make them fit into the schedules more conveniently? Or just because they can??!!
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • aeolium
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 3992

        #4
        It is maddening, though it has been a noticeable trend for a year or two now. It happens frequently with the lunchtime concerts (apart from the live Wigmore one). It is sometimes done I think to enable the music to fit into a particular slot, but also because of a sort of jukebox mentality infecting R3 these days, that pieces can be taken out of concert performances and slotted in any old how. It means not only, as ferney says, that the carefully constructed programme of the original concert is lost but also that it is harder for the listener to follow how an orchestra responds to the character of a particular conductor, as one can over a whole concert.

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        • amateur51

          #5
          Originally posted by aeolium View Post
          It is maddening, though it has been a noticeable trend for a year or two now. It happens frequently with the lunchtime concerts (apart from the live Wigmore one). It is sometimes done I think to enable the music to fit into a particular slot, but also because of a sort of jukebox mentality infecting R3 these days, that pieces can be taken out of concert performances and slotted in any old how. It means not only, as ferney says, that the carefully constructed programme of the original concert is lost but also that it is harder for the listener to follow how an orchestra responds to the character of a particular conductor, as one can over a whole concert.

          I think the word to describe R3's rejigging of concert content is unmusical

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26610

            #6
            Bizarre R3 concert programming

            I thought some posts about a specific concert were worth copying to a thread about programming, as some of us seem to have been thinking about this on and off for a while...

            One of the weirdest mash-ups I can recall was on Good Friday - Ratty and Mole and Pergolesi's Stabat Mater...



            BBC Singers and Symphony Orchestra Episode 4 of 4
            Duration: 2 hours, 30 minutes
            First broadcast: Friday 29 March 2013
            Louise Fryer presents a new version of the classic tale of Rat, Mole, Badger and Toad - combining the talents of the BBC Symphony Orchestra and a special cast. Plus a selection of Good Friday music by Wagner, Harrer, Hauptmann and Pergolesi.

            Neil Brand: The Wind in the Willows
            Toad ..... Stephen Mangan
            Mole .....Claire Skinner
            Badger .....Philip Jackson
            Rat .....Carl Prekopp
            Otter .....Patrick Brennan
            Bargee .....Liza Sadovy
            Judge .....Paul Stonehouse
            Girl .....Stephanie Racine
            Singers: Genevieve Hamilton, Amanda Morrison, Julia Batchelor-Walsh, Jonathan English, Daniel Auchincloss and William Gaunt,
            BBC SO,
            Conductor Timothy Brock.

            3.10pm
            Wagner: Good Friday Music (from Parsifal)
            BBC SO,
            Martyn Brabbins (conductor).

            3.20pm
            J Gottlieb Harrer: Mein Herz ist bereit
            Moritz Hauptmann: Sanctus, Benedictus and Agnus Dei from Mass in F minor, Op. 18
            BBC Singers,
            Conductor David Hill.

            3.40pm
            Pergolesi: Stabat Mater
            Sophie Karthäuser (soprano),
            Christophe Dumaux (countertenor),
            Akademie fĂĽr Alte Musik, Berlin,
            Director René Jacobs.
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26610

              #7
              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
              I think the word to describe R3's rejigging of concert content is unmusical
              You're not wrong, amster
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • salymap
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5969

                #8
                It's difficult to imagine how their tiny minds work these days.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20585

                  #9
                  On Classic FM, they punctuate the music with adverts. Perhaps they are preparing us for this.

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    It looks like a mire!!
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30756

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post

                      One of the weirdest mash-ups I can recall was on Good Friday - Ratty and Mole and Pergolesi's Stabat Mater...


                      A phrase that sets my teeth on edge: you couldn't make it up .
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • jayne lee wilson
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 10711

                        #12
                        Virtually stopped listening to daytime R3 because of the dreaded "sequence"... and anyway, it never works well in concert really does it? Lots of short items, even if in a single concert, produce (in me at least) a kind of febrility, then a fragmentation, of attention. Exhausting. LastNightofthe, Cinema Specials, the dreaded Galas... even New Year's Day in Vienna (but then, it does start well within hangover territory even if you haven't been on the razz...)

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                        • Frances_iom
                          Full Member
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 2430

                          #13
                          I assumed the mashup was so KD could continue to be employed - like several of the earlier posters apart from very few slots(Wigmore, EMS + sometimes COTW if I know I'm going to miss the evening repeat) I too have given up on the afternoon swill that follows the dogs breakfast of the morning - maybe they could just pull the plug now

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                          • marvin
                            Full Member
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 173

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                            I assumed the mashup was so KD could continue to be employed - like several of the earlier posters apart from very few slots(Wigmore, EMS + sometimes COTW if I know I'm going to miss the evening repeat) I too have given up on the afternoon swill that follows the dogs breakfast of the morning - maybe they could just pull the plug now
                            Classic Fm in another guise, I think.

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                            • David-G
                              Full Member
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 1216

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                              Why can't Radio 3 broadcast the Afternoon on 3 concerts 'as live' instead of chopping them up into bits?
                              I really HATE this! I tend not to listen to these, in consequence.

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