Philharmonia from the RFH - Petrenko

[Simon B]

I wouldn't say he was "hounded", Saly, merely called to account for his rather hyperbolic language. He expressed himself in exceptionally strong terms ("the worst performance that I ever heard") and gave only limited detail (the pianist being half a bar out at one point).

What he said.

Surely, dishing out robustly forthright opinions (well informed and sincerely held as they are) in the public domain, expressed in sweepingly bald terms like:

...the whole thing was ghastly and the orchestra, on the night, not fit for purpose...

...it was the worst performance that I ever heard...

The Philharmonia... is unquestionably the weakest of the London Orchestras these days. Such a shame.

is surely not only expecting but actively seeking a robust exchange of views. Not least to probe what lies beneath them, as if they are well informed the justification will be interesting. Otherwise, what's the alternative? Sycophancy?

I incautiously did something similar recently - and got thoroughly spanked for it by Thropplenoggin no less. Which was my tough luck for going around making sweeping statements with a sprinkling of grandeur in public. A fair cop.

[Thropplenoggin]

What he said.

Surely, dishing out robustly forthright opinions (well informed and sincerely held as they are) in the public domain, expressed in sweepingly bald terms like:

is surely not only expecting but actively seeking a robust exchange of views. Not least to probe what lies beneath them, as if they are well informed the justification will be interesting. Otherwise, what's the alternative? Sycophancy?

I incautiously did something similar recently - and got thoroughly spanked for it by Thropplenoggin no less. Which was my tough luck for going around making sweeping statements with a sprinkling of grandeur in public. A fair cop.

[salymap]

HS will shoot me down for this but as we get older [and we are both over 80] ourjudgements become more extreme perhaps.

I could say more but won't. It would be a sad day to lose HS and waldhorn's wonderful posts,from the inside of the orchestra, and their undoubted humour at times.

If there was overkill in HS's posts on this occasion,there was the same in the response of his critics, in my view.

What happened to " I disagree with you but respect your right to say it".

[Thropplenoggin]

It would be a sad day to lose HS and waldhorn's wonderful posts,from the inside of the orchestra, and their undoubted humour at times.

I wouldn't want to be without them either, Saly.

[Simon B]

I wouldn't want to be without them either, Saly.

Ditto. Not least as when a divergent view is backed up by what is obviously a great deal of rather unique experience and insight it is genuinely fascinating, and a lot can be learned from it.

What happened to " I disagree with you but respect your right to say it".

A fair point, the caveat being that the context and manner in which something is said usually determines the character of the response. Internet fora as a medium are unfortunately very effective at synthesising an apparent dispute where there isn't really one thanks to the removal of all cues bar the hastily written word. Accordingly, I'll plead guilty to meeting fire with fire on this occasion, instead of the wiser course of thinking "come on, what's the point?" and letting it drift .

[jean]

I just caught the Prokofiev before it fell off the iPlayer and I thought it very fine - precise, urgent and intense.

I hope I would have thought so even if I had not realised Petrenko had been conducting it.

(What does annoy me rather is when it's implied that a high opinion of Petrenko's conducting is merely a fashionable view.)

[marvin]

I find the comments of certain member of this forum and indeed, those from the old R3 forum very off putting. Frankly if I were to have to use people's views here as an example of what a stranger to classical music had to expect, then I fear that it would put them off for life.
I have fought a battle, on and off for over sixty years about my love of classical music, to those who think it very elitist and full of stiff shirts and snobbery and have tried to tell them this is not, necessarily, true. However if they were to come here and read some of the threads and contents therein, then their opinions would have been fully justified.

[amateur51]

I just caught the Prokofiev before it fell off the iPlayer and I thought it very fine - precise, urgent and intense.

I hope I would have thought so even if I had not realised Petrenko had been conducting it.

(What does annoy me rather is when it's implied that a high opinion of Petrenko's conducting is merely a fashionable view.)

[salymap]

I find the comments of certain member of this forum and indeed, those from the old R3 forum very off putting. Frankly if I were to have to use people's views here as an example of what a stranger to classical music had to expect, then I fear that it would put them off for life.
I have fought a battle, on and off for over sixty years about my love of classical music, to those who think it very elitist and full of stiff shirts and snobbery and have tried to tell them this is not, necessarily, true. However if they were to come here and read some of the threads and contents therein, then their opinions would have been fully justified.

I'vefound musicians far from snobbish marvin. After60 years of trying I should give up worrying about whatother people think and enjoy music while you can.

Very few of my family appreciate classical music, we have liotsof other things in common. Just relax a bit and enjoy

[marvin]

It is not musicians I worry about and there may be quite a few here, no doubt. It is the other contributors some of whom I find, from their comments rather tiring and seemingly trying to get one up on one another with their input and views.
As fellow lovers of our genre, I feel somewhat ashamed to be part of this and that's why I come very seldom.

[amateur51]

It is not musicians I worry about and there may be quite a few here, no doubt. It is the other contributors some of whom I find, from their comments rather tiring and seemingly trying to get one up on one another with their input and views.
As fellow lovers of our genre, I feel somewhat ashamed to be part of this and that's why I come very seldom.

As you like, marvin

[teamsaint]

It is not musicians I worry about and there may be quite a few here, no doubt. It is the other contributors some of whom I find, from their comments rather tiring and seemingly trying to get one up on one another with their input and views.
As fellow lovers of our genre, I feel somewhat ashamed to be part of this and that's why I come very seldom.

I think this is part of life Marvo.

It's not specific to classical music.
Yes there can be one upmanship, and there are some daft so and so's around. Just don't join in I would suggest.
Get what you want from the board, and there is much to gain.
I do, and when I make a **** of myself I try to consider it a lesson usefully learned.

Go me !!

Edit . The plural of So and so seems to need an apostrophe, to make it look right, even though there shouldn't be one, I think !

[Thropplenoggin]

I think this is part of life Marvo.

It's not specific to classical music.
Yes there can be one upmanship, and there are some daft so and so's around. Just don't join in I would suggest.
Get what you want from the board, and there is much to gain.
I do, and when I make a **** of myself I try to consider it a lesson usefully learned.

Go me !!

You, sir, are a true gentleman. We could do with a dozen more TSs on this board.