Michael Tilson Thomas: Opinions?

[Mr Pee]

I have watched MTT on Sky Arts TV several times recently. Yes, he is all over the shop. If the orchestra attempted to follow him, it would be chaos, but their performance was magnificent.

What is unclear MTT's conducting here? If you can't follow this conductor you need your eyes tested:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mctpTyIBt_I

I also can't see anything showy or camp. The very opposite infact.

[amateur51]

Very thin ice, indeed - of the kind you usually skate on.

If anyone could be bothered to do an analysis of your postings, I'm sure the results would be something like 5% content, 95% flaming, jibes and attempted pranks.

You're not really a good advertisement for dignified senior citizenship, Amy.

Abuse away my dear, I'm still awaiting your apology

[verismissimo]

Mandy and Tilly,
Lazy and silly,
Walk by the shore of the wan grassy sea, -
Talking once more 'neath a swan-bosomed tree...

[Mandryka]

Abuse away my dear, I'm still awaiting your apology

I think you know by now, petal, you aint gonna get one! :)

And, for your information, I don't 'abuse' you (you should be so lucky!); I humour you.

Glad we've got that straight....

[eighthobstruction]

Very thin ice, indeed - of the kind you usually skate on.

If anyone could be bothered to do an analysis of your postings, I'm sure the results would be something like 5% content, 95% flaming, jibes and attempted pranks.

You're not really a good advertisement for dignified senior citizenship, Amy.

5% of sheer gold....[and not quite an OAP....]....

[Petrushka]

Am51/Mandryka

[amateur51]

I think you know by now, petal, you aint gonna get one! :)

And, for your information, I don't 'abuse' you (you should be so lucky!); I humour you.

Glad we've got that straight....

OK an admission that on this occasion you were wrong?

At one time you seemed to understand how useful and straighforwaerd an apology could be

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?4081-Apologies

New meds perhaps?

[amateur51]

5% of sheer gold....[and not quite an OAP....]....

Cheers eighth

[amateur51]

Am51/Mandryka

Couldn't agree more, Petrushka

[MrGongGong]

Glad we've got that straight....

Steady on, that's a revelation to me .......

I'd put the statistics somewhat differently myself
some people like to carry their misanthropy about IMV

[Simon B]

What is unclear MTT's conducting here? If you can't follow this conductor you need your eyes tested:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mctpTyIBt_I

I also can't see anything showy or camp. The very opposite infact.

I enter this thread with great trepidation... but...

It must be time for new specs then! Though there may, as often, be weirdness with delay between sound and vision on that YT clip which make it look more disconcerting.

The position of the tick of the beat is mostly clear, but I certainly can't tell which beat is which at times. Almost the whole movement is in 4/4 but there are numerous instances of what look very much like upbeats that aren't on 4, there are stretches where the best guess is he did a bar of 5 then one of 3 etc... Then there are stretches of the old favourite of generic sawing from side-to-side indicating nothing useful...

To be fair, everyone involved will know that this movement essentially plays itself and the chap flailing about on the podium is just there for show apart from at a few points of inflection. MTT does, knowingly no doubt, do something useful at one of the beartraps - the fast on-off canon between brass and cymbals in bars 266-268. Note the SFSO cymbal player very visibily counting like &$*% at that point - and MTT giving a very clear 4 with ticks you could slice cheese with.

MTT more broadly? Very good in American rep (I'd second comments upthread about his interpretations of e.g. Bernstein, Copland and Ives) but I've found him a bit superficial in Mahler, Shostakovich etc. Just an unsubstantiated opinion. Now back to the mudslinging...

[eighthobstruction]

Steady on, that's a revelation to me .......

I'd put the statistics somewhat differently myself
some people like to carry their misanthropy about IMV

Surprising what near death experience can do for you....

[Mandryka]

OK an admission that on this occasion you were wrong?

At one time you seemed to understand how useful and straighforwaerd an apology could be

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?4081-Apologies

New meds perhaps?

At least I have made an apology in the past (though not you - I presume that's what rankles?).

You, otoh, persistently try to derail threads that started in all seriousness not just by myself but by other forum members who do not share your political/cultural views. And when I call you to account, you drag up your posse of passive-aggressive sybarites to add power to your limp elbow.

Were the roles reversed, you wouldn't hesitate to call this 'bullying' - but, of course, since you are a member of a 'minority' (as you never tire of reminding us). by your own logic, you can never be a bully.

Well, do your worst: it makes no difference to me. It is difficult, sometimes, though to argue with a person like you, who is barely literate and who can communicate better with smileys than he can with words.

Back to MTT.....

[amateur51]

At least I have made an apology in the past (though not you - I presume that's what rankles?).

You, otoh, persistently try to derail threads that started in all seriousness not just by myself but by other forum members who do not share your political/cultural views. And when I call you to account, you drag up your posse of passive-aggressive sybarites to add power to your limp elbow.

Were the roles reversed, you wouldn't hesitate to call this 'bullying' - but, of course, since you are a member of a 'minority' (as you never tire of reminding us). by your own logic, you can never be a bully.

Well, do your worst: it makes no difference to me. It is difficult, sometimes, though to argue with a person like you, who is barely literate and who can communicate better with smileys than he can with words.

Back to MTT.....

Well at least he's inconsistent

[eighthobstruction]

>>>your limp elbow<<<

....Careful Am's it's gradually creeping up your arm....