BBC SCOTTISH play Ives, Bartok and Dvorak. Friday June 22nd at 1930

[Ariosto]

No horn player is 'overpaid'...!

They often got the best girls too ... must have been their lip technique - all that double tonguing ... circular breathing ...

[Tony Halstead]

[MrGongGong]

I used to have a girlfriend who played the french horn
but every time she kissed me she put her right hand ....................


(my coat is on)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Pabs (#12) & HS (#13):

Do I take it, then, that the Horn parts are in E and C, but all the players just use chromatic instruments "in F" and transpose as they play?


Mr GG; you think you had problems! Just imagine going out with a ventriloquist! (Very rude "lip-moving" reference removed.)

[MrGongGong]

Do I take it, then, that the Horn parts are in E and C, but all the players just use chromatic instruments "in F" and transpose as they play?

Of course if you used a flugel for the solo at the end of The New World it would be a walk in the park and most conductors wouldn't notice anyway (or get a descant horn ............ ) I feel a trip to Paxmans coming on (not that I can actually afford anything )

[Hornspieler]

Originally Posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte

Do I take it, then, that the Horn parts are in E and C, but all the players just use chromatic instruments "in F" and transpose as they play?.

Of course if you used a flugel for the solo at the end of The New World it would be a walk in the park and most conductors wouldn't notice anyway (or get a descant horn ............ ) I feel a trip to Paxmans coming on (not that I can actually afford anything )

With the modern instrument, normally offering F or B flat alto, it would be a choice of which side is the easier to pitch accurately, which may not be the higher instrument in some cases. Forget the Flugal horn. It is an over-weight trumpet and sounds like a cow in labour.

HS

[Pabmusic]

Pabs (#12) & HS (#13):

Do I take it, then, that the Horn parts are in E and C, but all the players just use chromatic instruments "in F" and transpose as they play?


Mr GG; you think you had problems! Just imagine going out with a ventriloquist! (Very rude "lip-moving" reference removed.)

Yes. The music would all be played on the same instrument, a chromatic horn pitched (probably) in F. I'm sure the group of horn players here can explain it better than I can, but a modern double horn in F and B-flat would comfortably provide all the notes Dvorak wrote in the New World. There will be many notes, too, that are available on both sides of the horn, so that the most convenient fingering, the more in-tune note, or a slightly different tone quality can be chosen. For instance, the note sounding middle C will be available either as an open G on the F side of a double horn, or as a D (1st finger? - or am I talking about 1st and 3rd?) on the B-flat side. They will have different qualities. Choosing the appropriate sound is part of the horn player's magic.

[Pabmusic]

With the modern instrument, normally offering F or B flat alto, it would be a choice of which side is the easier to pitch accurately, which may not be the higher instrument in some cases. Forget the Flugal horn. It is an over-weight trumpet and sounds like a cow in labour.

HS

I think it sounds plain weak.

[Hornspieler]

Yes. The music would all be played on the same instrument, a chromatic horn pitched (probably) in F. I'm sure the group of horn players here can explain it better than I can, but a modern double horn in F and B-flat would comfortably provide all the notes Dvorak wrote in the New World. There will be many notes, too, that are available on both sides of the horn, so that the most convenient fingering, the more in-tune note, or a slightly different tone quality can be chosen. For instance, the note sounding middle C will be available either as an open G on the F side of a double horn, or as a D (1st finger? - or am I talking about 1st and 3rd?) on the B-flat side. They will have different qualities. Choosing the appropriate sound is part of the horn player's magic.

You know a lot more than you admit Pabmusic.

Let's just concentrate on that middle C;

On the B flat horn, using the 1st valve would give a slightly flat pitch. Using 1st and 3rd would be slightly sharp.

The answer? An open note played on the F horn. Perfect - and a more horn-like quality.

But remember that the modern horn is not two horns joined like reluctant Siamese twins - it is a four valved instrument and the thumb. is as much in use during a phrase as the other three valves.

HS

[Ariosto]

All you guys with a sense of humour may be interested to know that some nark has reported me for my innocent remarks about circular breathing, double tonguing and the like in relation to a horn player's technique!! So you had better be careful, and remember that we are all in Sunday school, and I may be set up for a hanging in a few days time!! There is always someone!

[Tony Halstead]

Unbelievable....
Thanks for the timely warning!

[MrGongGong]

Unbelievable....
Thanks for the timely warning!

oooer mrs

[Curalach]

Unbelievable....

Ditto!
Clearly someone who has sneaked off to the teacher rather than making their view known to the forum
When do the tickets for the hanging go on sale?

[Ariosto]

Ditto!
Clearly someone who has sneaked off to the teacher rather than making their view known to the forum
When do the tickets for the hanging go on sale?

Fairly soon, a snip at £50 ... I'm hoping I can stretch it a bit and get some good publicity out of it, and I could just win by a kneck. I'll have to get a bigger shoulder rest and chin rest as it might increase the area between my shoulder and chin ...

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I'm hoping I can stretch it a bit and get some good publicity out of it

You just can't stop yourself, can you, Ari?!


(Oh. Shove up along that gallows, would you. )