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  • Simon
    • Dec 2024

    If you aren't impressed by Mozart...

    There have been a few posts of late from people who, honestly enough, have said that they like only a few works by Mozart. Brassbandmaestro is one, and it's clear that he's being sincere and not posting (as some have done in the past) simply to cause upset.

    This is a shame in my view, as despite the wonders of so many other composers, if I had to choose only one I was allowed to listen to for the rest of eternity it would be Mozart, without question. But of course we all accept that one anothers' tastes vary, depending on our particular experience of life and music.

    Wolfie wrote so much of such quality that it's hard to pick out one - or even a dozen - pieces that might cause someone who hasn't such a high opinion to perhaps give him another chance. In any case, once the piece is chosen, there's the question of whose performance! Those with a very wide knowledge and experience of his music, and with many different performances under their belts, so to speak - and I'm thinking here of Wilf and Bryn in particular - would be better placed to suggest something than me, and sadly we haven't persuaded Wilf to join in here, yet.

    Nonetheless, there are a few logical places to start, and for me as a pianist it's handy that one of these is with the piano sonatas or concertos, as these I know quite well. They vary immensely and contain some of Mozart's most energetic, as well as his most sublime, music. Also, some of his best-known tunes!

    So I'm picking out one youtube link in the hopes that it will be enjoyed. It might surprise some as it's not the C minor concerto, though that was tempting! It's a youthful looking Zoltan Kocsis with Jiri B, playing, appropriately enough, in the Knight's Hall in Prague. It's the last movement of the A major concerto, which I think they bring off extremely well indeed - and it's maybe a bit faster than usual. I love it! Full of exuberance, it's hard not to smile at it, and in terms of where the music takes you, with often simple enough figures but always avoiding the trite, it has to be about as perfect as you can get! I'd be surprised to hear that anyone didn't actively enjoy hearing and watching.

    If you like it, do try the second movement of the same concerto (from the side links), which is in the relative minor and which is gloriously dreamy, with the undertones of wistfulness that so often inhabited Mozart's music.

    Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


    Other, similar suggestions, by those knowledgeable on Mozart, would be most welcome, I'm sure. Bryn?

    bws to all

    Simon
    Last edited by Guest; 01-01-11, 15:53.
  • Threni

    #2
    I use to find Mozart hard, but I also use to find Mahler hard, just because they did seem to drag on. Mozart with his operas and Mahler with his symphonies.

    That leads me onto the proms, from going and hearing works live is the only way to get to know them I think. The great thing to hear works you wouldnt usually listen to.

    As Stravinsy said ( :D ) "To hear music you must see it."

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    • Simon

      #3
      No doubt the whole experience of the Proms works well, Threni. But I wouldn't, personally, agree with Stravinsky on that quote you mention! I'd be interested to know what you meant by "hard" though. Mozart in particular falls easily enough on the ear, doesn't it?

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      • Chris Newman
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 2100

        #4
        I agree with Threni and Stravinsky about how important watching performance can be. Last week I watched, heard and thoroughly enjoyed Glyndebourne Opera perform one of my very favourite pieces of music on TV. Tonight I am listening to the same work from the Vienna State Opera on Radio Three. I very nearly turned it off as the three principal women are very squally although the principal men are excellent. I am talking, of course, about Don Giovanni. Fortunately the (first night) performance is beginning to gain in confidence and to win me over but when these women sing longer chunks I certainly do not find that Mozart falls easily enough on the ear.

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        • Mandryka

          #5
          I'm afraid I also have a problem with Mozart. I enjoy the piano works, particularly the concerti, and some of the symphonies, but find a lot of the rest pleasant but anodyne. And I really don't get on with his operas, which strike me as long-winded: does Figaro really need to be so long and complicated? And Zauberlote seems to expire after the Queen Of The Night's first exit. Just my opinion, of course, but I've been listening to these works now for nearly twenty years and the scales have still not fallend from my eyes.

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          • Flosshilde
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7988

            #6
            It's (some) of his operas, & the Gran Partita, that I like. The rest of his work I can easily live without. I don't like Zauberlote (as might have been gathered from another thread), & Don Giovanni does go on. Cosi is probably my favourite, & Idomineo.

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            • Suffolkcoastal
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3292

              #7
              The later piano concerti are the works of Mozart which I tend to listen to most and I enjoy some of the sonatas too as well as a handful of the chamber works and half a dozen or so of the symphonies. As for the rest of his output, well most of the early music is fairly uninspiring (Mendelssohn was a far more impressive composer child prodigy than Mozart IMO), as are the majority of the serenades/divertimenti and choral works. As for the operas, I find Don Giovanni the best, the first two acts of Figaro are fun but the rest bores me and Cosi fan tutte I find one of the most tedious operas in the repetoire. I find Franz Josef Haydn much more to my taste especially in realtion to the symphony, chamber music and choral music and Michael Haydn preferable in choral music too.

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              • Simon

                #8
                Thank you for your replies to my initial post. I'm hoping that some will come along with other suggestions than my K488, but may I also just say how pleasant it is to read all these opinions from the people who have joined in on here, expressed so fairly and openly and without being unpleasant or patronising or otherwise non-constructive against Mozart or anyone else. I wish it had happened more on the other boards!

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                • Pianorak
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3128

                  #9
                  I assume most Mozart lovers will be familiar with Mitsuko Uchida's interpretation of the piano sonatas. For a different take on those why not listen to Lili Kraus whose approach I find refreshingly robust and forthright. Enjoy!
                  Last edited by Pianorak; 02-01-11, 11:00.
                  My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    Thank you Simon. It is true that my post on another thread, is sincere. There are some pieces by Mozart that I like, but for the most part his music just leaves me cold. I don't know why! I know that he is the master craftsman of his art, but then, that shouldn't say to me that I should like his music. I admire his music but just in that, it doesn't necessarily mean that I am a 'fan', so to speak.

                    I play piano as well, and his piano music gives me shudders of cold!!
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • salymap
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5969

                      #11
                      I love most of Mozart's music but the spoken snippets have interested me most so far. An interval talk yesterday on Mozart in London, aged 8, speaking fluent English and leaving a choral work which is still in the BM/BL. A little piano work, written when he was 6. It surely foreshadowed the aria 'Eine madchen oder weibchen' {sp?] Lots of lovely early wind music today too on Martin Handley's programme.

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                      • amateur51

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                        I assume most Mozart lovers will be familiar with Mitsuko Uchida's interpretation of the piano sonatas. For a different take on those why not listen to Lilli Kraus whose approach I find refreshingly robust and forthright. Enjoy!
                        Thanks for reminding me about Lili Kraus, pianoanorak.

                        Here's some of her Mozart:

                        Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


                        And here she is teaching, taklking and ... being Lili Kraus:

                        Lili Kraus Hungarian Pianist. Talking,Teaching and Playing


                        I haven't found her complete Mozart piano sonatas on Amazon :(

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                        • kernelbogey
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5801

                          #13
                          Day two and I'm enjoying the continuous Mozart. Insomnia allowed me four hours of TTN which included interesting early works (one so recently discovered it has no Koechel number) and the usual concise erudition in John Shea's announcements - continuing, indeed, from Martin Handley as usual. The snippets are providing a more rounded picture of the composer as man and boy than I've previously experienced. I agree with the comment about Mendelssohn's precocity but, by jove, many of Wolfie's early works are astonishing.

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                          • Pianorak
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3128

                            #14
                            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                            . . . I haven't found her complete Mozart piano sonatas on Amazon :(
                            http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/ is your friend!
                            They have the 5CD set of the 1954 Haydn Society recordings, digitally restored. They also have a DVD.

                            Thanks for the links.
                            My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20572

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                              I play piano as well, and his piano music gives me shudders of cold!!
                              On the reverse side of the coin, I recall my best ever piano lesson being on the day when my teacher gave me a Mozart piano sonata to learn (K.283).
                              Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 02-01-11, 12:46. Reason: Wrong K number. Thanks to Roehre for showing discretion.

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