BBC Young Musician of the Year Finals - BBC Four

[french frank]

which kind of reenforces the point that no-one REALLY gives a toss
aaah well back to the symphony

I don't think it does any such thing. We both do - it's just that we take opposing views on the value of the In Harmony projects (I just object to them being referred to as El Sistema which they're not). You're the one involved in music teaching so I'm happy if people agree with you rather than me.

[MrGongGong]

I don't think it does any such thing. We both do - it's just that we take opposing views on the value of the In Harmony projects (I just object to them being referred to as El Sistema which they're not). You're the one involved in music teaching so I'm happy if people agree with you rather than me.

no problem at all
but I would advise having a conversation with someone who has been involved rather than believing all the puff
and as for JLW he is a man who when invited to speak at the NAME conference (national association of music educators) partly because NAME wanted him to get a perspective on what is really happening in music education rather than on rely on "received wisdom" turned up, did his talk, refused to answer any questions and went away............ and as a bit of a comedy cellist really is not one to believe at all..........

There's nothing wrong with young people getting involved with learning and playing instruments and participating in music of all kinds but many people far more experienced than myself are justifiably very sceptical about this whole exercise......

[zola]

BBC Young Musician of the Year 2020

In danger of creeping under the radar, tomorrow evening on BBC4 is the keyboard final ( I believe recorded in the winter pre-lock down )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hy1p

Unfortunately, it is only an hour long for five finalists and into that hour is also crammed a 'feature' from the inevitable Jess Gillam. So not much chance of assessing the musicians qualities.

[LHC]

In danger of creeping under the radar, tomorrow evening on BBC4 is the keyboard final ( I believe recorded in the winter pre-lock down )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hy1p

Unfortunately, it is only an hour long for five finalists and into that hour is also crammed a 'feature' from the inevitable Jess Gillam. So not much chance of assessing the musicians qualities.

According to the BBC press release, the complete concerts will be shown on the iPlayer. As a different host is mentioned, it looks as if the iPlayer version will avoid all the extraneous guff.

For audiences who wish to see the Category Finals in full, broadcaster, painter and BBC Young Musician regular Josie d’Arby introduces the complete concerts for BBC iPlayer.

[oddoneout]

Doesn't smack of complete commitment does it? This would have been an ideal opportunity to get it back onto a more public platform surely, with sport and various other things not being possible. I don't do iPlayer so will have to make what I can of the snippets version, immensely frustrating, and the mute button will be much used I imagine to block the guff.

[LHC]

Doesn't smack of complete commitment does it? This would have been an ideal opportunity to get it back onto a more public platform surely, with sport and various other things not being possible. I don't do iPlayer so will have to make what I can of the snippets version, immensely frustrating, and the mute button will be much used I imagine to block the guff.

I suspect the BBC’s TV controllers would very much like to banish all classical music to the iPlayer eventually - witness the debacle last year when they had to change their schedules and show the Cardiff Singer heats on BBC4 such was the furore when they were only on the iPlayer. If they get away with it this time, they will take this as a sign they can make the final step with impunity in future.

[Dave2002]

I don't do iPlayer ...

Is that a life statement, or due to practical reasons - such as insufficiently good or too expensive internet connections?

[oddoneout]

Is that a life statement, or due to practical reasons - such as insufficiently good or too expensive internet connections?

Until relatively recently there were limiting factors to do with ancient PC, and broadband package. Although those have been solved the main one remains - sitting at my desk to watch TV doesn't appeal, and that's the only way I could access it. So far I've managed without (the occasions when a missed programme has been really regretted are very very few, not least because so much seems to get repeated theses days) but I suspect the time is coming when that may change - when my ancient TV dies for instance!

[ardcarp]

I suspect the BBC’s TV controllers would very much like to banish all classical music to the iPlayer eventually - witness the debacle last year when they had to change their schedules and show the Cardiff Singer heats on BBC4 such was the furore when they were only on the iPlayer. If they get away with it this time, they will take this as a sign they can make the final step with impunity in future.

YouTube on the other hand seems to have more and more art-music [classical music] available. And Medici TV chose to make the whole Leeds Piano Competition free to all. If the BBC bases its output of different genres on viewing figures..which it apparently does....how come YouTube doesn't? Or am I missing something here.....

[teamsaint]

Until relatively recently there were limiting factors to do with ancient PC, and broadband package. Although those have been solved the main one remains - sitting at my desk to watch TV doesn't appeal, and that's the only way I could access it. So far I've managed without (the occasions when a missed programme has been really regretted are very very few, not least because so much seems to get repeated theses days) but I suspect the time is coming when that may change - when my ancient TV dies for instance!

If I was in your position, and wanted stuff like iplayer but not sitting at a desk, I’d considet a Kindle Fire 10 when they are on sale at £100. Great little device ( ok , it is Amazon) really easy, flexible and useful, and our various kindles have been extremely reliable.

[Nick Armstrong]

the inevitable Jess Gillam.

...oh dear. I can’t listen to her on R3, not least as her voice reminds me of Diane Morgan’s ‘mockumentary’ character “Philomena Cunk” (who I also find almost impossible to watch)

Been meaning to start a thread on the YMotY for some days, since seeing it was scheduled, but failing to... so thanks zola.

To be recorded and watched with a finger over the fast-forward button to eliminate the chat, as always with BBC music coverage of late

[oddoneout]

If I was in your position, and wanted stuff like iplayer but not sitting at a desk, I’d considet a Kindle Fire 10 when they are on sale at £100. Great little device ( ok , it is Amazon) really easy, flexible and useful, and our various kindles have been extremely reliable.

Thanks for the suggestion - that is one of the options that has been put forward when the subject comes up in the family. For now there is not enough incentive in terms of 'things I could/want to watch if...' to warrant serious investigation - I seem to find enough to do to fill my waking hours without needing to expand the current viewing. It will be my son's job to sort out possibilities when the time comes - he has the knowledge and the supply routes and knows what my preferences/limitations are.

[Dave2002]

Until relatively recently there were limiting factors to do with ancient PC, and broadband package. Although those have been solved the main one remains - sitting at my desk to watch TV doesn't appeal, and that's the only way I could access it. So far I've managed without (the occasions when a missed programme has been really regretted are very very few, not least because so much seems to get repeated theses days) but I suspect the time is coming when that may change - when my ancient TV dies for instance!

Something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B076FH18...osi&th=1&psc=1 (Roku streaming stick) would probably sort you out.

Even cheaper - if you didn't need full HD or 4k - https://www.nowtv.com/smart-tv-stick (though this does seem to do 4k now ... earlier ones didn't) - buy the stick, enjoy (or not) the free months viewing, then don't bother with NowTV again - but you'll get a player for iPlayer and the other channels you're likely to use.

Those do assume your TV has HDMI I think. There are some earlier models which have a video output.

[oddoneout]

Something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B076FH18...osi&th=1&psc=1 (Roku streaming stick) would probably sort you out.

Even cheaper - if you didn't need full HD or 4k - https://www.nowtv.com/smart-tv-stick (though this does seem to do 4k now ... earlier ones didn't) - buy the stick, enjoy (or not) the free months viewing, then don't bother with NowTV again - but you'll get a player for iPlayer and the other channels you're likely to use.

Those do assume your TV has HDMI I think. There are some earlier models which have a video output.

My TV is well over 30 years old and wasn't very happy with the digibox foisted on it so I'm doubtful about anything more advanced! It likely doesn't make much sense to try and add things on, probably better to get a 'complete package' type replacement - but current finances are not favourable to that solution. As I say, at the moment the status quo is sufficient, but all the various suggestions are welcomed for future reference and the thought gone in to solving a problem - it is appreciated.

[Nick Armstrong]

Anna Lapwood is an exemplary presenter...