Runnicles and the BBC SSO in Brahms and Schumann Tomorrow 22nd at 7.30bm

[Guest]

Don't miss this one. You've got a week of Schubert coming up!

HS

Apologies for the typo in the title. FF please correct same.

[amateur51]

Details of the programme are:

Detlev Glanert: Brahms-Fantasie (world premiere)
Brahms: Alto Rhapsody
Schumann: Symphony No. 4 (original version)

8.30pm Interval
Jamie MacDougall speaks to tonight's soloist, Sarah Connolly, and we hear a selection of her recent recordings of songs by Schumann, Brahms and Kurt Weill.

Brahms: Symphony No. 1

Sarah Connolly (mezzo-soprano)
Men of the Edinburgh Festival Chorus
BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra
Donald Runnicles (conductor).

[mercia]

an idle thought - are contemporary works programmed first so that one can, so to speak, recover from (forget ?) them, by the end of the concert ?

[cloughie]

Details of the programme are:

Detlev Glanert: Brahms-Fantasie (world premiere)
Brahms: Alto Rhapsody
Schumann: Symphony No. 4 (original version)

8.30pm Interval
Jamie MacDougall speaks to tonight's soloist, Sarah Connolly, and we hear a selection of her recent recordings of songs by Schumann, Brahms and Kurt Weill.

Brahms: Symphony No. 1

Sarah Connolly (mezzo-soprano)
Men of the Edinburgh Festival Chorus
BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra
Donald Runnicles (conductor).

Notice it's the original Schumann 4 - Had I never heard the revised version I would probably like it, but I now find it an inadequate substitute for the real thing.

[amateur51]

an idle thought - are contemporary works programmed first so that one can, so to speak, recover from (forget ?) them, by the end of the concert ?

Or is it to ensure that people are not deterred from returning for the second half?

The number of times Solti programmed John McCabe's 'Chagall Windows' in the first part of his concerts, yet I've not heard it since. Do others programme it?

[salymap]

Or is it to ensure that people are not deterred from returning for the second half?

The number of times Solti programmed John McCabe's 'Chagall Windows' in the first part of his concerts, yet I've not heard it since. Do others programme it?

Morning ams. Don'tknow the McCabe piece but there is a lovely Chagall window in Chichester Cathedral, I think, and if the music is as beautiful as that, wow.

[mercia]

so, is there a big difference between these Schumann versions ? - he asked ignorantly

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

an idle thought - are contemporary works programmed first so that one can, so to speak, recover from (forget ?) them, by the end of the concert ?

Or even to allow certain audience members to arrive late and avoid them altogether!

The McCabe Chagall Windows is a glorious piece - I didn't know Solti had ever performed it! If only there's a recording somewhere - it would make a great bedfellow to the excellent Loughran/EMI.

[John Skelton]

Yes, there is. The transition to the finale being the most striking. (I can't find a YouTube 1841 version to illustrate the two side by side, annoyingly). (In reply to mercia's "so, is there a big difference between these Schumann versions ?")

[kernelbogey]

so, is there a big difference between these Schumann versions ? - he asked ignorantly

It would be good to hear the first versions of the four symphonies, together with the revisions, and possibly Mahler's arrangements, in close proximity, say over 2-3 weeks. Fat chance of R3 doing something like this these days.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

It would be good to hear the first versions of the four symphonies, together with the revisions, and possibly Mahler's arrangements, in close proximity, say over 2-3 weeks. Fat chance of R3 doing something like this these days.

Ah! Just wait for the "Schumannathon" week!

[Roehre]

It would be good to hear the first versions of the four symphonies, together with the revisions, and possibly Mahler's arrangements, in close proximity, say over 2-3 weeks. Fat chance of R3 doing something like this these days.

That would be I plus a performance with the original opening in the horns (the only difference between the "first" version and the well known one; Solti did this , as well as JEG);
II and III as we know them;
IV in two versions;
all four of them in the Mahler revisions;
the Symphony in g-minor "Zwickau".

In total 11 different Schumann symphonies.

[Hornspieler]

That would be I plus a performance with the original opening in the horns (the only difference between the "first" version and the well known one; Solti did this , as well as JEG);
II and III as we know them;
IV in two versions;
all four of them in the Mahler revisions;
the Symphony in g-minor "Zwickau".

In total 11 different Schumann symphonies.

I have the Karajan recordings with the Berlin SO of both versions of Symphony Nº 4. Personally, I much prefer the revised version.
Being much more used to that one, listening last night, the introduction to the finale sounded to me as if the entire orchestra had turned over two pages by mistake.

A very well played (and sung) concert nevertheless with a fine Brahms Nº 1 to finish.

Tumultuous applause? Well, I don't know where the presenter got that idea from. To me, it sounded as if the hall was only half full.

HS

BTW I even quite enjoyed the first item.

[salymap]

Just remembered I recorded it and haven't listened yet. From the bit I heard, I prefer the version of the Schumann 4 that I know.

OFF TOPIC I also recorded 'Sex and Sensibility: the Allure of Art Nouveau' which look fun, on BBC4 last night.

[salymap]

Just listened again on my recording. Prefer the version we know of the Schumann 4, didn'tcare for the first work on second hearing, good Brahms though IMHO.