Wed 7 March; Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra/Karabits from Poole

[Alison]

Good post, nethersage.

[3rd Viennese School]

Thanks all.

The repeat Beethoven 5 mvt 3 doesnt do anything for me. Just seems to drag the music back instead of progressing.

One note I missed out. Didnt hear the whole concert but what a good idea to have the strings missing in the first half, then when they finally appeared in the second half of the concert it was straight into the DER DER DER DERRRRRRRR!

Obviously is more effective if you had been there live!

3VS

[cloughie]

Good post, nethersage.

Eh?

[Flay]

Eh?

It was his nom de plume on the previous R3MB, cloughie. Bryn really is an old sage

[cloughie]

Thanks Flay for the hysterical perspective.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

The Scherzo repeat was also included in the Loughran/Hallé Beethoven cycle, which also included the Exposition repeat in the Finale; the two repeats balancing each other in a way I found very effective and convincing. Jonatahan Del Mar's "urtext" edition decided that the Scherzo repeat wasn't authentic and subsequent performances and recordings using that edition consequently are repeat-free.

Give it five years and someone will find a letter from Beethoven hidden in a library in Istanbul where he demands the repeat and things will change again!

[Bryn]

Give it five years and someone will find a letter from Beethoven hidden in a library in Istanbul where he demands the repeat and things will change again!

[Alf-Prufrock]

I have said this before, but I remember when Sir Adrian Boult did a cycle of the symphonies with the BBCSO (I think) in around 1960 for the Third Programme, he included the repeats of scherzo and finale. He gave a talk on the matter, which may still be in the BBC archives, I suppose. If I remember correctly, he stated that the scherzo repeat was a moot point, that it was not certain that Beethoven did not want it (or words to that effect). I thought that the symphony gained greatly in monumentalism and stature with the repeats, but that may of course have been owing to Boult's conducting. (I was also young and eager for musical experience then - certainly more eager than I am now in my comfortable old age.)