Beethoven Eroica - first two chords

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  • verismissimo
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    • Nov 2010
    • 2957

    Beethoven Eroica - first two chords

    This is amazing! So revealing.

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  • Nick Armstrong
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 26601

    #2
    Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
    Fascinating!! Strangely hypnotic!

    Well posted, sir!
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • Serial_Apologist
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      • Dec 2010
      • 37985

      #3
      I thought it was the opening two chords of Nielsen 3

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      • MrGongGong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        #4
        Brilliant stuff
        now tell me that A=440

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26601

          #5
          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          Brilliant stuff
          now tell me that A=440
          Quite!

          I enjoyed Krips and Lenny B...
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #6
            Milton Babbitt pointed out that the notes read from bottom to top of these two chords are Eb G Eb Bb Eb G Bb Eb: exactly the same order in which they appear in the theme from bars 4 - 6.

            Just thought I'd mention it.
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • Petrushka
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12386

              #7
              Great stuff! I've always wanted those first two chords to be mirrored in the last two chords of the whole symphony but nearly all recordings I've heard stretch out the second one thus nullifying the effect. Does someone have LvB's score to hand? Is a copy of the autograph score on the web?
              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                #8
                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                Great stuff! I've always wanted those first two chords to be mirrored in the last two chords of the whole symphony but nearly all recordings I've heard stretch out the second one thus nullifying the effect. Does someone have LvB's score to hand? Is a copy of the autograph score on the web?
                They are very similar, Pet, except that the last two have a descending version of the tonic triad, and the last chord is a crotchet instead of the penultimate bar's quaver. And the finale is in duple time, the First movt in triple (which at dotted minim = 60, means that each bar of the first movement should take a second to perform).
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • Flay
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 5795

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                  Is a copy of the autograph score on the web?
                  Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6488

                    #10
                    Always thought Barbirolli was overrated ...

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                    • Hornspieler

                      #11
                      Originally posted by alison View Post
                      always thought barbirolli was overrated ...
                      ?


                      hs

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                      • Petrushka
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12386

                        #12
                        Many thanks to FHG and Flay. My knowledge of score reading isn't that good so this is a bit of an education for me.
                        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22230

                          #13
                          Most interesting Toscanini's tempi and Norrington's pitch!

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Alison View Post
                            Always thought Barbirolli was overrated ...
                            There are various reasoned arguments that I would suggest might dispute your opinion, Alison, and prefer the view that he was one of the finest conductors ever.

                            But I think Hornspieler put it far more eloquently!
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Alison
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 6488

                              #15
                              Just thought his chords sounded a shade flaccid; probably the acoustic. :)

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