Whither Radio 3?

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  • DracoM
    Host
    • Mar 2007
    • 12986

    Whither Radio 3?

    Radio 3 through its other manifestations over the years was always cast as a guardian of and indeed sharpener and presenter of the challenges fine culture always presents, and as such had a necessarily wide, revelatory educative function. Aut educare aut delectare.

    But it seems to me that the soul / raison d’etre of R3 has now passed into the hands of those who have through the impoverished education system now in place last much / any awareness of what R3 was and perhaps ought to be. More worryingly, as if on the other side of a gulf of perception that no amount of shouting can bridge, they genuinely cannot understand why so many of the most loyal listeners are so vexed over what has happened to the principles that seem now to govern R3 in the last decade. It is not wilfulness, IMO, but genuine incomprehension, such is the ‘new’ way that now prevails in the BBC, one of competition, ratings, headlines, box-ticking.
    The new managers have been steadily indoctrinated by the belief system that listener numbers more or less alone justify content, however they deny or wriggle around that accusation, and indeed if the numbers do not flock, then your duty as a responsible producer / planner is to reduce the challenge of the content until the numbers rise to a just a bout acceptable level and thus justify expense. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a subtle plot, but a genuine stance generated out of 15 or so years of the tradition of steady undermining.

    High culture has never ever been ‘popular’. It never will be and it never will have ‘numbers’ in CFM, football crowd, rock music terms, but that does not make it less valuable – yet that seems to be the equation being embedded as a R3 axiom.

    The Mantra of Accessibility has understandably, regrettably, but necessarily had the effect of narrowing, trivialising and rendering banal. An example: on the old R3 mbs, every Saturday you could pretty well guarantee that there would be an explosion of wrath at the twittering trivia in the Met opera relays. The protests were regular as clockwork, loud and enraged. R3 managers must have known that that was the stance of a goodly number of its more articulate listeners who disliked it enough to record their displeasure, but far from modification, those same managers have made that presentation model the default style of ALL R3’s music programmes. The inevitable interview, the inevitable guest speaker, the endless chat by those more or less – usually less – well-informed.

    The effect is that the art form / performance on display is undermined by lame attempts to explain or contextualise, or in the very worst cases as tonight on the opera relay, turning it into a sort of Oprah Winfrey revelation of the inner psyche of the singer / producer etc. In that process, the actual work of art gets lost, gets cluttered, gets trivialised, and the sublimity of the work castrated. Risks are not taken in construction of programmes, because risk is expensive, does not raise numbers, is hard to justify.

    And we are powerless. The closing of the old R3 boards meant that the last real forum for critical, regular, astute feedback was shut down, so that for the R3 managers the frustrated shouting at the windows went away. They could get on with their deconstruction of our culture untroubled.
  • Don Petter

    #2
    Depressingly true.

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    • Osborn

      #3
      I have a vague feeling that I might have read this book before

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30450

        #4
        Originally posted by Osborn View Post
        I have a vague feeling that I might have read this book before
        What did you think of it, in substance?

        I suspect you're just a defeatist: you agree with it really but don't think anything can be done
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20572

          #5
          Worthy of the Booker Prize, I'd say.

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37812

            #6
            The first "H" in the first word of the thread header is redundant.

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30450

              #7
              The Third was under attack from some quarters almost from its beginning, and Radio 3 has suffered in the same way with the populists and the bean-counters wanting it to be something other than what it was designed to be.

              It seems to me that in the last ten years it's been gradually sinking because for the first time there has been no one at the BBC, not even at Radio 3, to defend it cultural standards
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Pabmusic
                Full Member
                • May 2011
                • 5537

                #8
                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                The first "H" in the first word of the thread header is redundant.
                I don't follow, S-A. If you leave it out of 'whither', you affect the pronunciation. Are you advocating leaving it out of 'what', 'which', 'when' and the like?

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26569

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                  I don't follow, S-A. If you leave it out of 'whither', you affect the pronunciation. Are you advocating leaving it out of 'what', 'which', 'when' and the like?
                  S_A means, I think, that the verb 'wither' is equally if not more relevant....
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • Pabmusic
                    Full Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                    S_A means, I think, that the verb 'wither' is equally if not more relevant....
                    Thank you. Irony. That makes sense!

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                    • Norfolk Born

                      #11
                      Given the amount of idle chat on certain programmes, perhaps a thread entitled 'Radio 3 Witter' might also be of interest.

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                      • Andrew Slater
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 1797

                        #12
                        It seems to be the way of the world. Just about every organisation is top-heavy with managers who have little feel for what they are managing, and who therefore concentrate on the statistics (often known as Key Performance Indicators), relentlessly re-organising and pushing so that the numbers which should be high are maximised and those which should be low are minimised. As they have little understanding of the entity under their control, they fail to see any warning signs that they have been too extreme. Often they lock themselves away from the common herd and therefore don't even get a chance to see the effect of their campaigns. While the entity being managed goes to pot as a result of this myopic mania, the perpetrators get their bonus and move on, having done a 'good' job, as evidenced by the shiny KPIs. (Look at Railtrack, the banks, the NHS, ..., the BBC.)

                        Until this mentality is completely discredited (which will take more than the banking crisis), the madness will continue. In the mean time, I think it's imperative to continue to push against the spread of this mania to R3, irrespective of its perceived effectiveness. Otherwise (or even despite it) it can only get worse.

                        End of rant.

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 12986

                          #13
                          Top post, Andrew.

                          Fear is the Key. To make, defend and keep a job, planners [sic] are afeard of moving out of the comfortable banality of Radio 2.5 presentation style which in turn means that to preserve numbers challenging content is reduced, a smaller list of /must-plays' is endlessly re-cycled - Spem in Alium 4 times last week, and that's just when I was listening to R3. Because our education system has since 1988 been increasingly and resolutely 'project-' 'assignment-based' and not 'thinking-based', innovation is rarely perceived, encouraged or rewarded. Chummy Cowan replaces Swain the Ascetic, CDM Brains Trust or similar disappears, Reith Lectures go to R4 and are Lawley-fied, [and, bizarrely, travels to different parts of the country to be broadcast - why? Radio is national already and can be heard in Devizes and Durham anyway? ].

                          Laurie Taylor's prog on R4 is called Thinking Allowed'. If only, I say. And why is it not on R3? As soon as you say that R4 is the Speech Network, you shoulder out of it the most trenchantly challenging because it also has to encompass The Archers, In Our Time, Clare in the Community, Endless News and You and Yours. There is little or no hope for strict and searching debate UNLESS you re-site that toughest material on R3, because it will always get shuttled out on R4 by the huge other claims on that channel.

                          I totally agree with Andrew and FF that we must go on lobbying and fighting and writing. I know this sounds pompous, but if groups like The Radio 3 Forum do not fight on, there will be a day if it is not upon us already when no-one at R3 will for one moment think that 'Breakfast' and all the twaddle that goes with it is not in fact a very beacon in the general Rafferty-isation of R3.

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                          • antongould
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8830

                            #14
                            Yes both excellent posts - but what, and it will never happen, if an agreement was reached by all parties that for 2(?) years R3 went back to where it was in the 70s(?) and listener numbers fell dramatically...............what would you see happening then? We all, probably, have a view on what would happen to the audience but what if we did see a steep decline?

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22180

                              #15
                              Originally posted by antongould View Post
                              Yes both excellent posts - but what, and it will never happen, if an agreement was reached by all parties that for 2(?) years R3 went back to where it was in the 70s(?) and listener numbers fell dramatically...............what would you see happening then? We all, probably, have a view on what would happen to the audience but what if we did see a steep decline?
                              I see no problem in that, whatsoever, the steep decline would probably be accounted for by the move to CFM of those wanting BCs not FWs. I would welcome a morning or two of Breakfast Penny Gore style 6.30-9.00, with nice chunky half-hour Symphonies, Concertos or oether enticing works, then 9.00-12.00 CD Masters - Bring it on! I don't give a fig for audience figures - it would actually be quite interesting to see how many of the new listeners who've joined R3 during the dumb-down years, would stick with the return to basics - just give us back our quality.

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