The Lark Ascends with Piano.

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  • ahinton
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    • Nov 2010
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    Bösendorflughafen?

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    • doversoul1
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      • Dec 2010
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      ****(English) language

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      • BBMmk2
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        • Nov 2010
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        I suppose I am a fine one for saying this, but there are some works by our beloved composers, which should be left alone.

        I mean, I have thought of doing this for clarinet and concert band before now but then had second thoughts and thought that there are works that should be left as they are.
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • MrGongGong
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          • Nov 2010
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          Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
          I suppose I am a fine one for saying this, but there are some works by our beloved composers, which should be left alone.

          I mean, I have thought of doing this for clarinet and concert band before now but then had second thoughts and thought that there are works that should be left as they are.
          "Closed repertoire" has it's advantages

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          • Cockney Sparrow
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            • Jan 2014
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            A few weeks ago I wasn't in a position to turn off (Elizabeth?) Alker on Sunday Breakfast. She played a quartet (not sure if plus piano) version, commenting in the most appreciative terms. As if this piece hadn't reached the masses already! And no, it really didn't sound very suited to - well, either the performers in question or the conception of the instruments involved.

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
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              ... Ralph Vaughan Williams
              The Lark Ascending
              Performer: Daniel Pioro. Performer: Clare O'Connell. Performer: Liam Byrne. Performer: James McVinnie. Music Arranger: Clare O'Connell


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              A re-imagining of this timeless piece of music. Violin: Daniel Pioro Cello: Clare O'Connell Viol: Liam Byrne Organ: Jamie McVinnie Sound: Daniel Halford Visuals:…


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              Last edited by vinteuil; 07-09-17, 14:19.

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              • Pulcinella
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                • Feb 2014
                • 11114

                The piano and violin version is at least authentic RVW!

                Wiki tells us this:

                Vaughan Williams dedicated The Lark Ascending to Marie Hall, who premiered both versions. The piano-accompanied premiere was on 15 December 1920,[7] in conjunction with the Avonmouth and Shirehampton Choral Society at Shirehampton Public Hall. The pianist was Geoffrey Mendham.[7] This was followed by the first London performance, and first orchestral performance, on 14 June 1921, with the British Symphony Orchestra[7] under conductor Adrian Boult. The critic from The Times wrote, "It showed serene disregard of the fashions of today or yesterday. It dreamed itself along."[8] The use of pentatonic scale patterns frees the violin from a strong tonal centre, and expresses impressionistic elements. This liberty also extends to the metre. The cadenzas for solo violin are written without bar lines, lending them a sense of meditational release.[9] The original orchestral manuscript is lost.[7]

                There was a TV broadcast of the violin and piano version, from Shirehampton Hall, iirc, not that long ago, which prompted some comments (I know I added one, pointing out a repeat).
                If someone who is cleverer than I am with the search facility could find that thread, perhaps a link could be provided or the threads merged.

                PS: Two threads in fact, one of which I started!



                Last edited by Pulcinella; 07-09-17, 14:29. Reason: PS added

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                • BBMmk2
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  Well, that does surprise me, Pulcie!
                  Don’t cry for me
                  I go where music was born

                  J S Bach 1685-1750

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                  • doversoul1
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 7132

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    The piano and violin version is at least authentic RVW!

                    Wiki tells us this:

                    Vaughan Williams dedicated The Lark Ascending to Marie Hall, who premiered both versions. The piano-accompanied premiere was on 15 December 1920,[7] in conjunction with the Avonmouth and Shirehampton Choral Society at Shirehampton Public Hall. The pianist was Geoffrey Mendham.[7] This was followed by the first London performance, and first orchestral performance, on 14 June 1921, with the British Symphony Orchestra[7] under conductor Adrian Boult. The critic from The Times wrote, "It showed serene disregard of the fashions of today or yesterday. It dreamed itself along."[8] The use of pentatonic scale patterns frees the violin from a strong tonal centre, and expresses impressionistic elements. This liberty also extends to the metre. The cadenzas for solo violin are written without bar lines, lending them a sense of meditational release.[9] The original orchestral manuscript is lost.[7]

                    There was a TV broadcast of the violin and piano version, from Shirehampton Hall, iirc, not that long ago, which prompted some comments (I know I added one, pointing out a repeat).
                    If someone who is cleverer than I am with the search facility could find that thread, perhaps a link could be provided or the threads merged.

                    PS: Two threads in fact, one of which I started!



                    http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...Lark-Ascending
                    Would Host amalgamate this thread with one the two?

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                    • Cockney Sparrow
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                      • Jan 2014
                      • 2292

                      Pulcinella - that first thread

                      Is truly wonderful - I shall read it again, closely (and again, I'm sure) for the information it provides. Thanking you for starting it and referring to it again.
                      Tantalisingly, the last page refers to the chamber arrangement, but with asterisks, so I am none the wiser ( though - if I wanted to be, I suppose).

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
                        Would Host amalgamate this thread with one the two?
                        All three Threads now woven together.
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Cockney Sparrow
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                          • Jan 2014
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                          Oops, arranger referred to a few posts above!

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                          • Pulcinella
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                            • Feb 2014
                            • 11114

                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            .
                            ... Ralph Vaughan Williams
                            The Lark Ascending
                            Performer: Daniel Pioro. Performer: Clare O'Connell. Performer: Liam Byrne. Performer: James McVinnie. Music Arranger: Clare O'Connell


                            .
                            A re-imagining of this timeless piece of music. Violin: Daniel Pioro Cello: Clare O'Connell Viol: Liam Byrne Organ: Jamie McVinnie Sound: Daniel Halford Visuals:…


                            .
                            The best of the BBC, with the latest news and sport headlines, weather, TV & radio highlights and much more from across the whole of BBC Online





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                            Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                            Well, for those who have issues with the original there's always the chamber arrangement by D***D M*tt***s which some here might nevertheless opine that I ought not to mention but I have done so anyway...
                            Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                            Oops, arranger referred to a few posts above!
                            There might be some confusion here, CS (some of which might be mine).
                            The asterisked arranger is David Matthews, but I can find no trace of a chamber arrangement by him.
                            (This is not to question ahinton's assertion, btw!)
                            He was, however, part of the team in a Beyond the stave programme on The lark ascending:

                            and features as an arranger (but of Britten) in this future concert, which does mention another arrangement of The lark:
                            One of the world’s most lauded chamber ensembles, the ACO is renowned for its inspired programming and unrivalled virtuosity, energy and individuality.


                            Host(s): Thanks for merging the threads. It is understandable that the longest-standing title prevailed, but a shame that we now lose mention of the fact that it is (primarily) the piano and violin version that is under discussion.
                            Last edited by Pulcinella; 08-09-17, 09:54.

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                            • oddoneout
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                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9308

                              [QUOTE=Host(s): Thanks for merging the threads. It is understandable that the longest-standing title prevailed, but a shame that we now lose mention of the fact that it is (primarily) the piano and violin version that is under discussion.[/QUOTE]
                              Also lost is the phrasing of the most recent thread which made me smile - 'The lark ascends with piano' - thinking it must have been a tiny piano, and then that if it's playing with its toes does that become 'pieds en l'air'.
                              Sorry, little things etc...

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                              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                                Gone fishin'
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 30163

                                Tcheesh!
                                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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