TTN Mahler 7, Hatink/Concertgebouw - tonight

[makropulos]

Can you provide an exact date of the performance please? Presumably, that info is included with the RCO boxed set.

16 November, 1969.

Terrific performance, but as Bryn says, it's the same one that's in Vol. III of the Concertgebouw live series.

[makropulos]

I hear Bertini as a good value introductory set and a good base from which to be introduced
to really special performances of the symphonies.

The Gergiev Fourth must rate as one of my worst ever purchases.

I haven't heard it, but having reviewed the Second I decided that Gergiev's Mahler was unlikely to be my cup of tea - seemingly arbitrary tempo changes, what feels like impatience (or incomprehension?) of the music, no coherent vision of the piece. All this despite very good playing and choral singing, and questionable soloists. Ever since then I've not been inclined to do any more than dip into Gergiev's Mahler - and what I've heard hasn't impressed. I was even less impressed by Gergiev's assertion in a TV interview I saw that nobody else understood Mahler properly.

Still, my esteemed colleague RM-W is firmly of this planet, and he really does respond to the performances of the later quite differently.

In terms of potentially interesting Mahler, I've got Pappano's 6 and Honeck's 3 lined up to listen to tomorrow.

[barber olly]

Just in case some people might not have noticed - a performance of Mahler 7 with Haitink conducting the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra is being broadcast on this evening's Through the Night at 1am.

As it was recorded in 1969 should it just be referred to as the Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam.

[Roehre]

As it was recorded in 1969 should it just be referred to as the Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam.

Indeed. That's why in my post (#2) I call it CGO/Haitink, and not KCO(or RCO)/Haitink, as it became Koninklijk (Royal) at its centenary in 1988, following the centenary festivities performance of Mahler 8.

[barber olly]

Indeed. That's why in my post (#2) I call it CGO/Haitink, and not KCO(or RCO)/Haitink, as it became Koninklijk (Royal) at its centenary in 1988, following the centenary festivities performance of Mahler 8.

It is always mildly annoying to see recordings by conductors such as Krips and Jochum linked with the RCO, rather than CAO!

[johnb]

As it was recorded in 1969 should it just be referred to as the Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam.

I merely repeated the details given in the Radio Times as I hadn't checked the on line schedules.

[Barbirollians]

I hear Bertini as a good value introductory set and a good base from which to be introduced
to really special performances of the symphonies.

The Gergiev Fourth must rate as one of my worst ever purchases.

I hope you avoided his Mahler 5 - I heard it on Classic FM of all places and thought I was listening to a parody of the piece.

[Barbirollians]

I merely repeated the details given in the Radio Times as I hadn't checked the on line schedules.

Thanks for flagging this up . I have to admit such little things do not bother me at all - it is like Philharmonia and New Philharmonia once important now irrelevant

[barber olly]

But great if you are not in possession of said set - so thanks for flagging it up!

On the question of Gergiev, on results to date I think he was unwise to jump on the Mahler bandwagon, his Shostakovich and Prokofiev stack up with the best but Mahler. I keep buying Mahler, like many others on these boards but Gergiev's No 1 is one of the few I have not kept and I have not tried any of his others.

[Bryn]

I merely repeated the details given in the Radio Times as I hadn't checked the on line schedules.

John, the boxed sets of radio recordings of the orchestra all call it the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, even the early volumes with recordings from 1935-50, the 1950s and the 1960s. At least, volumes 2 and 3 do. I don't have Volume 1 (1935-50) to hand at the moment.

[Roehre]

John, the boxed sets of radio recordings of the orchestra all call it the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, even the early volumes with recordings from 1935-50, the 1950s and the 1960s. At least, volumes 2 and 3 do. I don't have Volume 1 (1935-50) to hand at the moment.

Bryn, that doesn't mean it is correct

[Bryn]

Bryn, that doesn't mean it is correct

Indeed not. It just shows that those responsible for releasing the sets thought it appropriate to use the new name retrospectively, possibly to avoid confusion.

[Petrushka]

As it was recorded in 1969 should it just be referred to as the Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam.

Totally agree. Eagle-eyed boarders may have noticed that on the 'what are you listening to?' thread I usually use the name of the orchestra as it was at the time of the recording (though might occasionally just put Concertgebouw).

[johnb]

Suddenly I feel the will to live evaporating.

[Alison]

I've never cared for the 'Royal' bit I have to say !

A performance from 1969 should not include it.