Definitions

[DracoM]

We have been here before, I do realise, but R3 is currently running a series of [exasperating] trails for 'Live in Concert' events.

[a] are they actually 'live'?
[b] or are they 'as live'?
[c] or are they 'recorded'?

And actually, are some of them studio sessions recorded or live or recorded as live with no audience present at all, and if so, is that a 'concert' at all?

Is that my scepticism and doubt peeping into the blinking light of day? Or is it total confusion?
Or am I merely being pernickety over definitions and should I just rejoice that they are happening at all and not challenge R3 on the veracity of its claims for itself?

[kernelbogey]

Draco, could you please define 'as live'? Thanks.

[MrGongGong]

This chapter "relocating the 'live'" is worth reading IMV

http://www.ashgate.com/default.aspx?page=637&title_id=6463&edition_id=9143&promotion_id=af5298dd-4e96-455d-b668-98a1c8805d19&calcTitle=1

[DracoM]

Gosh.
Well, actually, now you come to ask, I have no idea what 'as live' means. The critical difficulty is the confusing 'as'. Does that imply 'as if' live? Or does it imply an audience and thus a 'concert'? Or does it mean recorded warts an' all?
Surely any recording of any music is ' live'? But what does 'as live' mean?

Or does it mean a concert broadcast as it actually happens? Or not?

So maybe I'm not the best person to ask.

[french frank]

Draco, could you please define 'as live'? Thanks.

I've always used it to mean a 'real time recording' that doesn't have bits edited out of it; e.g. the previous recorded 'concerts' which were introduced by a studio presenter just playing the individual pieces of music were NOT 'as live'.

But I always had a feeling the BBC used it slightly differently

Re the original question, I think they did say they would be broadcasting some recorded concerts now and again in the 'Live In Concert' slot. But they can still call it 'Live In Concert' because then they mean it in the other sense of 'live'

[kernelbogey]

Thanks ff, but.... 'live' should only mean, I submit, 'broadcast as it's being performed' - simultaneously. (A repeat of the same performance would therefore not be 'live' but 'recorded'.)

[french frank]

Thanks ff, but.... 'live' should only mean, I submit, 'broadcast as it's being performed' - simultaneously. (A repeat of the same performance would therefore not be 'live' but 'recorded'.

All together now:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."

[kernelbogey]

All together now:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."

And we all know what happened to him, don't we?

[Ariosto]

Does that mean that (hopefully) Roger Wright is going to fall on his sword?

[DracoM]

Aha! It is as I suspected: 'Live in Concert' means whatever R3 wants it to mean? It is no more nor less than a slogan, a bit of 'trailer trash' that means next to nowt?

[kernelbogey]

Aha! It is as I suspected: 'Live in Concert' means whatever R3 wants it to mean? It is no more nor less than a slogan, a bit of 'trailer trash' that means next to nowt?

They could always give Rob a programme called 'Dead in concert'. Plenty of recordings to choose from!

[DracoM]

[french frank]

I think the intention is for the 5-a-week to continue for the present. There was a wobble just after the Proms finished, but the indefatigable Andrew keeps a week-by-week check on the Actually Live concerts if you follow him here. Live seems to have resumed.

[Roslynmuse]

One further confusion is that R3 seems not to know the provenance of at least some of its concerts.

A BBC PO concert I went to at the Bridgewater Hall earlier this year was split over two (non-consecutive) afternoons recently and described as a studio recording.

And the Halle's Walküre broadcast a few weeks back was described (twice) as coming from the Manchester International Festival in June (the dates of the performances were July 15th and 16th...)

[Petrushka]

Hmmm, I'm not sire I have much of a problem with definitions. 'Live' should mean just that - it is happening NOW whether an audience is present or not. 'As live' surely means a concert performance broadcast exactly as if was being relayed live ie no editing whatsoever and with original announcements in place. 'Recorded' I would take to mean an edited studio/concert performance/s with or without an audience.

think I've got it anyway.