Have You Started Attending Concerts?

[teamsaint]

A requirement for double jabbing as a sole criteria for entry is absurd. It takes no account of the fact that a huge proportion of those currently infected have been double jabbed, no account of current infections, no account of existing naturally acquired immunity. And it could in fact be counter productive , as there will be no check on the vaccinated but currently infectious. See page 13 table 2 for current infection rates among both vaxxed and unvaxxed .

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019992/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_38.pdf

For maximum safety insist on double jabs or proof of immunity , plus a negative tests . Or just a test for everybody.

Or just don’t bother since the jabs seem to be cutting serious disease effectively, and cut out the discrimination while you are at it.

Edit: I’m currently sitting. In a train, taking my chance along with everybody else, in a carriage at least as crowded as many convert halls are, with no checks on health status.

[Cockney Sparrow]

For maximum safety insist on double jabs or proof of immunity , plus a negative tests . Or just a test for everybody.

To reassure all those attending (paying - booking) how would that be demonstrated, for example one might have to exhibit a barcode - test result - on one's smartphone? That would be re-assuring for the auditorium part of the visit. I seem to remember the WHO saying, at the very start, that a way to fight the virus and then control it would be to have an effective and available to all testing system. Despite all the expense, that still seems not to be in place - not to evidence negative tests. (Negative tests being what would be needed for the purpose of this thread).

Or just don’t bother since the jabs seem to be cutting serious disease effectively,

I think we can rest assured that is the default position of our present government. Just as long as the NHS isn't actually broken into dysfunctional pieces, and they are seen to be responsible for the decisions which brought that about. As long as that can be avoided, its all the personal freedoms they can transfer to us (and avoid responsibility for, incidentally).

and cut out the discrimination while you are at it.

I sometimes wonder about this, although I haven't spent a lot of time trying to fully embrace the thinking that leads to that suggestion. My freedoms to choose and decline to assume risk are OK, I assume it doesn't discriminate. If commerce and arts promoters want me to turn up, I'm going to need some re-assurance (e.g. that test barcode to gain entrance) otherwise why should I trust others? Perhaps in aggregate people with my choices are seen as giving rise to discrimination against those who want their freedoms but don't want the consequences to impinge on them.

Mind you, I'm not one of the philosophers/academics round here. I'm just trying to avoid Long Covid and to survive. If I don't want to be a hermit, its got a whole lot more complicated since the end of the last lockdown - it was inevitable that it would, though, I have to acknowledge.

[richardfinegold]

Well, no mention of a “Vaccine passport “ being required at tomorrow’s Concert. I can’t directly ask my friends, because it’s a sticky question. They aren’t Anti Vader’s, but early in Covid he was rehearsing his students with what he thought was adequate spacing, and he, his wife, and many of the students then developed Covid. Other faculty were furious with him, and he was more wounded by that than by the infection.

[kernelbogey]

Winchester Cathedral in June (the Sixteen - Call of Rome); Pavel Kolesnikov (16/11) and La Serenissima (2/11) both coming up at Turner Sims, Southampton - having frustratingly needed to return my ticket for Paul Lewis there (thrice postponed because of lockdown etc) because I had to self-isolate before a hospital appointment....

[Dave2002]

The Glyndebourne on Tour performances (Glyndebourne October, then several other venues) have changed their requirements.
Whether they will change again remains to be seen.

Previously only proof of double vaccinations was required, but now it seems they want to have lateral flow test results a couple of days before each performance.

[Prommer]

A poor excuse.

I might go to the Anvil on Friday , but the thing putting me off is the threat of all the extra prodding, poking, checking, bossing around etc.

Are orchestras still masking up ?

The Philharmonia at the RFH were not, I think, masked - and it is a huge orchestra for the Alpine Symphony etc.

[teamsaint]

The Philharmonia at the RFH were not, I think, masked - and it is a huge orchestra for the Alpine Symphony etc.

Thanks for that.

At least we haven't gone the Lithuania route yet.

https://txti.es/covid-pass/images

[alywin]

The Philharmonia at the RFH were not, I think, masked - and it is a huge orchestra for the Alpine Symphony etc.

No, I don't remember them being, either. It was my first return to concerts since the pandemic started, and I have to admit that I didn't even think about the orchestra size. I did, however, check how well it had sold, realised that the rear stalls were fairly sparsely occupied, and decided to risk it. Once I got in there, I realised that no, I wasn't quite ready to sit next to the people in the seats adjacent to mine, even though they were of an age where I would have expected them to be vaccinated, so moved off to sit on my own. The front stalls looked to be more or less fully occupied, though, as were the choir stalls. No thanks.

[kernelbogey]

I might go to the Anvil on Friday , but the thing putting me off is the threat of all the extra prodding, poking, checking, bossing around etc.

Did you go TS? I looked at the seating plan and was tempted.... But I am not well atm and then there's the petrol to Basingstoke and back, so I didn't.

[teamsaint]

Did you go TS? I looked at the seating plan and was tempted.... But I am not well atm and then there's the petrol to Basingstoke and back, so I didn't.

Ah, sorry to hear you aren't well, KB, hope you are better soon.

Yes, I did go in the end. It was about 40% attendance I would say, so plenty of room for distancing if one wanted. Mask wearing about 80%. Orchestra unmasked other than moving on and off the stage.

Excellent concert, well worth going. The Alpine kept a nice flow going, and plenty of dramatic impact.
The fuel issues didn't seem to have put too many people off,( though understandable if it did) and I managed to get £35 of diesel on the way home, so a result all round.

[cloughie]

Ah, sorry to hear you aren't well, KB, hope you are better soon.

Yes, I did go in the end. It was about 40% attendance I would say, so plenty of room for distancing if one wanted. Mask wearing about 80%. Orchestra unmasked other than moving on and off the stage.

Excellent concert, well worth going. The Alpine kept a nice flow going, and plenty of dramatic impact.
The fuel issues didn't seem to have put too many people off,( though understandable if it did) and I managed to get £35 of diesel on the way home, so a result all round.

Also and Alpine in one bite looks a good prog to me. I must catch up with last Thursday night’s R3 broadcast!

[Dave2002]

Not concerts, but yesterday we went to a small cinema. Seemed fairly closed in, and although there was a screen message that masks should have been worn throughout, some people clearly didn't.
Now need to see if we suffer any ill efects over the next few days.

I think we were all starting to get blasé - but then the 15 year old girl died - so there are still things to be concerned about.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/02/portsmouth-teenager-dies-of-covid-on-day-she-was-due-to-get-vaccine

[teamsaint]

Also and Alpine in one bite looks a good prog to me. I must catch up with last Thursday night’s R3 broadcast!

There seemed to be a recording being made at The Anvil too.

[Dave2002]

As we are going to try to get to Glyndebourne in a few weeks time I thought I'd try to get the vaccination documents. Total shambles. Scottish system doesn't seem to cope. One gets passed from pillar to post - [web-site, then phone] REPEAT

Then try phoning the surgery. They don't have any helpful suggestions, and when the receptionist mentions that "it worked for her" I point out that if it works for 99 people there's no guarantee that it'll work for 100. As usual silo thinking means that there's no communication between government departments and local surgeries, and no sensible way that I can see to progress this further.

There's always my MP, I suppose.

No wonder the government has dropped attempts to do ID cards - someone must have realised that it would be so chaotic and badly implemented that there'd be riots in the streets!

Omnishambles!

[cloughie]

There seemed to be a recording being made at The Anvil too.

The Philharmonia have done a number of live recordings with Signum - maybe this is their next!