Afternoon Concert - general thread

[Serial_Apologist]

And perhaps Orpheus (#168) has returned to the underworld?

He won't have to wear his mask!

[Ein Heldenleben]

And perhaps Orpheus (#168) has returned to the underworld?

Always a mistake to look over your shoulder . Another example of the triumph of progress . Orpheus was a 1980s bit of kit - probably ran on an Amstrad….

[Ein Heldenleben]

I did contact them and received the following

which is reassuring, that it doesn't signify another bit of TTN tampering.

Good detective work . So it was a good old fashioned c*** up !

[oddoneout]

Ah, left hand, right hand, eh? Who'd have guessed?

And perhaps Orpheus (#168) has returned to the underworld?

[Bryn]

I did contact them and received the following

which is reassuring, that it doesn't signify another bit of TTN tampering.

Ah, left hand, right hand, eh? Who'd have guessed?

[oddoneout]

Why not write in and find out? Strikes me repeating an entire concert in a different show is bit unusual . I don’t know anything about current Radio scheduling but I know that all major TV channels have a huge scheduling problem at the moment with so little drama shot last summer . I’ve also heard that even now on location everything but everything is taking longer.

I did contact them and received the following

This wasn’t intentional – different programmes at Radio 3 can access the same material from the European Broadcasting Union. We try very hard not to clash with each other with our programming, but clearly something went wrong on this occasion!

which is reassuring, that it doesn't signify another bit of TTN tampering.

[Ein Heldenleben]

But is/was it a mistake? I'm afraid that recent fiddling with TTN does tend to reduce somewhat the capacity for allowing benefit of the doubt. As far as duplication more generally goes there have been occasions in recent months where I've wondered if there has been a challenge gone out to see how often the same piece can be played in the same week or, on more than one occasion the same day/consecutive days. I appreciate that working conditions currently are not the best but the drift to lack of attention to detail and accuracy had already started before the pandemic.

Why not write in and find out? Strikes me repeating an entire concert in a different show is bit unusual . I don’t know anything about current Radio scheduling but I know that all major TV channels have a huge scheduling problem at the moment with so little drama shot last summer . I’ve also heard that even now on location everything but everything is taking longer.

[oddoneout]

I think mistakes like this are incredibly rare. For what it’s worth many years ago Radio 3 had a computer programme called (I think ) Orpheus which stopped such duplication . In particular separate producers selecting the same performance of the same work on the same day or week .I would imagine that programme or something similar still operates which makes me think that it might be that that the TTN people in Europe changed the running order at the last minute with the BBC having already selected that concert for transmission as part of the AC strand. I don’t think the BBC has complete authority over what goes out on TTN. I have a number of former colleagues still working in both TV and Radio and understand that working conditions at the moment are, to put it mildly, difficult - particularly as the ping rate goes up. .If you are concerned I would suggest emailing . Whenever I have had cause to do so - usually on engineering and technical issues - I unfailingly receive a polite and timely reply.

But is/was it a mistake? I'm afraid that recent fiddling with TTN does tend to reduce somewhat the capacity for allowing benefit of the doubt. As far as duplication more generally goes there have been occasions in recent months where I've wondered if there has been a challenge gone out to see how often the same piece can be played in the same week or, on more than one occasion the same day/consecutive days. I appreciate that working conditions currently are not the best but the drift to lack of attention to detail and accuracy had already started before the pandemic.

[Ein Heldenleben]

A different kind of oddity today. For the afternoon concert, this was the listing:



Not 10 hours later, on TTN, we find this:



Right hands & left hands in mutual ignorance, presumably… plus a drive for lots of cost-saving recycling

I think mistakes like this are incredibly rare. For what it’s worth many years ago Radio 3 had a computer programme called (I think ) Orpheus which stopped such duplication . In particular separate producers selecting the same performance of the same work on the same day or week .I would imagine that programme or something similar still operates which makes me think that it might be that that the TTN people in Europe changed the running order at the last minute with the BBC having already selected that concert for transmission as part of the AC strand. I don’t think the BBC has complete authority over what goes out on TTN. I have a number of former colleagues still working in both TV and Radio and understand that working conditions at the moment are, to put it mildly, difficult - particularly as the ping rate goes up. .If you are concerned I would suggest emailing . Whenever I have had cause to do so - usually on engineering and technical issues - I unfailingly receive a polite and timely reply.

[Cockney Sparrow]

My reaction, from the years to retirement in the Civil Service, is that its very reminiscent of stripping costs (so staff participation) out of processes with no regard for quality or reliability. It may well be that there is some oversight of data entry for all the radio stations, so quite likely the staff in question, to the extent they are involved, are quite likely to have no awareness of classical music, but will be under pressure to get the job done. (Also, its quite likely to be contracted out.....don't imagine they hire music graduates to toil away on that sort of work...).

I find it infuriating to get the invites to contribute to surveys as to my views on the website when it is carefully structured to show they are doing jolly well with their "improvements".

If I am really exercised by a matter (and I can see here how the playlist issue grates...) then I try to find the time to make a complaint. Really, anything short of that is bound to be a fob-off. At least a complaint goes into the stats, even thought the response is likely a fob off from the BBC as is usual. I haven't yet had the stamina to try contesting a complaint beyond a fob-off but if I had the time, I imagine it might involve OFFCOM. (My last complaint involved Emma Barnett - in relation to an opening tirade at Bernard Jenkin which made him look reasonable (quite an achievement) playing into the hands of the Tory anti-BBC rhetoric. Fobbed off, of course.....)

Trying to find a complaint facility in the iPlayer or Sounds finds nothing - it always moves around. On the main BBC pages - today - it can be found:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact[/url] ---> [url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

(I think I'm turning into a blend of Ed Reardon and Victor Meldrew - its not good for my blood pressure though - literally....)

[Nick Armstrong]

Quite possibly. I don't know which irritates more, the thought that it is an oversight (lack of attention to detail) or that it was done knowingly which suggests don't care.

My thought too, exactly

[oddoneout]

A different kind of oddity today. For the afternoon concert, this was the listing:



Not 10 hours later, on TTN, we find this:



Right hands & left hands in mutual ignorance, presumably… plus a drive for lots of cost-saving recycling

Quite possibly. I don't know which irritates more, the thought that it is an oversight (lack of attention to detail) or that it was done knowingly which suggests don't care. There are missing TTN chunks thanks to dumbtime so no need for this music on a loop approach.

[Nick Armstrong]

With some (of my) favourite Latin American works to follow, this was a feast for the ears.

You can hear them again in a couple of hours

[Nick Armstrong]

I can see absolutely no reason for it and no excuse for not listing what will be played.

A different kind of oddity today. For the afternoon concert, this was the listing:



Not 10 hours later, on TTN, we find this:



Right hands & left hands in mutual ignorance, presumably… plus a drive for lots of cost-saving recycling

[Serial_Apologist]

Behzod Abduraimov , who has been highly rated by many of us for his Rachmaninov performances , is playing a wonderful Pag Rhapsody at the moment . Those two octave skips despatched effortlessly.

With some (of my) favourite Latin American works to follow, this was a feast for the ears.