Afternoon Concert - general thread

[ardcarp]

All the above reminds me of the late Stanley Ellis who was believed to be able to detect minute differences between the accents of communities just a few miles apart.

[Roslynmuse]

1933. She described her accent as 'Stockport, sort of south Lancashire' in a 2012 TV interview with Andrew Neil - her mother advised her to modify it if she wanted to 'get on'.

I've lived in Stockport for more than 30 years and would be hard-pushed to identify a Stockport accent! But I'm a cloth-eared Wirralian - that no-man's-land between North Wales and Liverpool that started out as Cheshire and morphed into Merseyside in the early 70s, so I've heard all sorts...

[LMcD]

I assume she was born after 1913!

1933. She described her accent as 'Stockport, sort of south Lancashire' in a 2012 TV interview with Andrew Neil - her mother advised her to modify it if she wanted to 'get on'.

[Roslynmuse]

wiki advises that she was born in Heaton Moor, about which wiki adds -

"Heaton Moor is in the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport, mainly within the Heatons North ward. It was originally in the township of Heaton Norris, in the Salford hundred of Lancashire. Following the 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act it was administered by Heaton Norris Local Board as part of the Stockport Poor Law Union. In 1913, Heaton Moor, as part of Heaton Norris, was absorbed into the County Borough of Stockport."

I assume she was born after 1913!

[vinteuil]

I thought she was from Stockport? Never part of Lancs AFAIK, although what it's part of now is not always clear! Cheshire, Greater Manchester, even Derbyshire for parts of SK...

wiki advises that she was born in Heaton Moor, about which wiki adds -

"Heaton Moor is in the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport, mainly within the Heatons North ward. It was originally in the township of Heaton Norris, in the Salford hundred of Lancashire. Following the 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act it was administered by Heaton Norris Local Board as part of the Stockport Poor Law Union. In 1913, Heaton Moor, as part of Heaton Norris, was absorbed into the County Borough of Stockport."

[Roslynmuse]

When told that her south Lancashire accent might hinder her broadcasting career, Joan Bakewell adopted what she called an 'Ealing comedy kind of posh'.

I thought she was from Stockport? Never part of Lancs AFAIK, although what it's part of now is not always clear! Cheshire, Greater Manchester, even Derbyshire for parts of SK...

[Serial_Apologist]

When told that her south Lancashire accent might hinder her broadcasting career, Joan Bakewell adopted what she called an 'Ealing comedy kind of posh'.

Didn't know that! Good old Joan!

[LMcD]

When told that her south Lancashire accent might hinder her broadcasting career, Joan Bakewell adopted what she called an 'Ealing comedy kind of posh'.

[cloughie]

... perhaps like many he is 'bilingual', as 'twere - with a 'nice speaking voice' for the wireless, reverting to Lancashire when re-assuming his flat cap, racing pigeons, whippets, coal in the bath &c

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You can take the boy/girl out of .... but you can’t take .... out of the boy/girl.

[Ein Heldenleben]

But which one??? Lancashire probably has more local accents than any other county: you only have to go a mile from the centre of Manchester to find people speaking quite differently. Perhaps one of our Lancastrians can tell us. I suspect it has something to do with the mega-rapid industrialisation that overtook that county in the first half of the 19th century bringing previously agricultural working class in from a range of regions, each contributing their pre-existing dialects - though this would not readily explain the relative homogeneity of Yorkshire accents in what used to be called the West Riding. They're a stoobern lot, them Yorkshire fawk!

I don’t know the answer but I bet hand loom weavers and machine weavers come into it somewhere..

[Serial_Apologist]

It’s interesting isn’t it - having a Lancashire accent now might be the smart career move. Though there’s not the faintest hint of Cornish in Petroc’s polished tones...
PS I get the impression IS lives in or near Hampstead so it’s more likely to be a black Labrador..

But which one??? Lancashire probably has more local accents than any other county: you only have to go a mile from the centre of Manchester to find people speaking quite differently. Perhaps one of our Lancastrians can tell us. I suspect it has something to do with the mega-rapid industrialisation that overtook that county in the first half of the 19th century bringing previously agricultural working class in from a range of regions, each contributing their pre-existing dialects - though this would not readily explain the relative homogeneity of Yorkshire accents in what used to be called the West Riding. They're a stoobern lot, them Yorkshire fawk!

[Ein Heldenleben]

... perhaps like many he is 'bilingual', as 'twere - with a 'nice speaking voice' for the wireless, reverting to Lancashire when re-assuming his flat cap, racing pigeons, whippets, coal in the bath &c

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It’s interesting isn’t it - having a Lancashire accent now might be the smart career move. Though there’s not the faintest hint of Cornish in Petroc’s polished tones...
PS I get the impression IS lives in or near Hampstead so it’s more likely to be a black Labrador..

[vinteuil]

I didn’t realise this until I read his biog but Ian Skelly is from Lancashire yet he has a southern ‘R.P’ accent ...

... perhaps like many he is 'bilingual', as 'twere - with a 'nice speaking voice' for the wireless, reverting to Lancashire when re-assuming his flat cap, racing pigeons, whippets, coal in the bath &c

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[cloughie]

I just hope its not John Cooper Clarke crashing in on my sensibility. That is traumatic enough even whilst listening to Radio 4............. Most accents don't give me any bother me but harsh sounding extreme Manchester (I assume, I'm no expert on NW English accents) is too much for me.

Cockney ones?

[Bryn]

I didn’t realise this until I read his biog but Ian Skelly is from Lancashire yet he has a southern ‘R.P’ accent ...

Nobody's perfect.