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  • Peter Katin
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 90

    Applause at the end

    I see that artists are again being hauled into a tiny huddle and made to express their feelings the moment they leave the stage. I always said that this is a discourtesy and artists should not be subjected to it - I'm sure it makes them feel arrested. We do breathe.
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30450

    #2
    Originally posted by Peter Katin View Post
    I see that artists are again being hauled into a tiny huddle and made to express their feelings the moment they leave the stage. I always said that this is a discourtesy and artists should not be subjected to it - I'm sure it makes them feel arrested. We do breathe.
    It doesn't seem to be particularly popular with a lot of viewers/listeners either. Time for an artists' delegation to ask for it to be stopped?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • johnb
      Full Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 2903

      #3
      I was rather shocked when I saw Steven Osborne collared as he walked off the platform having played the Falla. I hope the presenters/producer had asked SO beforehand whether he was happy for that to happen. Even so it seemed a gross intrusion.

      Doing a short interview later in the interval, after he had a chance to collect himself, would have been much better.

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      • Chris Newman
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 2100

        #4
        Pardon my French but I think it's bally rude. Even the blonde lady doing it seemed embarrassed to approach Steven Osborne on Friday.

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        • Vile Consort
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 696

          #5
          Perhaps a few unbroadcastable comments live on air from the artists would cause the practice to cease.

          Go on, you know you want to!

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          • Ferretfancy
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3487

            #6
            Johb

            I didn't see the intrusive interview because I was in the hall, but he played the Falla in part two of the Prom, so they could hardly have ambushed him during the interval, collected or otherwise. It must tax the patience of artists to be treated in this way.
            The whole showbiz attitude by the Beeb when concerts are televised really depresses me, with a discerning audience treated like unpaid extras in a show. There's also a reach me down feeling this year, with no flowers on the front of the platform, and the fountain abolished in order to pack a few more people in. This seriously upsets the elderly and infirm regulars, some of whom have have memories of the Queen's Hall Proms, and who were able to use the seats around the fountain with cheerful co-operation from othe Prommers. How long before they remove the bust of Sir Henry Wood to make way for another camera position?

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            • Pianorak
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3128

              #7
              Originally posted by Chris Newman View Post
              Pardon my French but I think it's bally rude. Even the blonde lady doing it seemed embarrassed to approach Steven Osborne on Friday.
              The "blonde lady", the soprano Elin Manahan Thomas, seemed indeed rather embarrassed and I was feeling sorry for her to have been put in that awkward position. Black mark for the BBC.
              My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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              • salymap
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5969

                #8
                The proms are being cheapened by the BBC's approach to them. Suzy Klein and the others have no business to introduce the concerts and what's the point of standing in the road outside the RAH, dressed for a party, with platitutes spouted about the music and musicians. Grabbing artists when they have just finished playing is sheer bad manners, the same thing happens at Wimbledon tennis now, it should be STOPPED.

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                • doversoul1
                  Ex Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 7132

                  #9
                  What is BBC doing to their ‘presenters’? We have moaned enough about the wasted talent on R3. Elin Manahan Thomas does (or did when I hear her) very good straightforward concert presentation with her wonderful, fresh voice. But being a singer herself (one of the best young Baroque singers), she must know what such an interview means to performers. She is obviously not in a position to say no. It’s plain cruel. I don’t watch TV so I don’t really know what EMT had to do but it sounds pointless to say the least.

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    Yes, poor artists. I feel sorry for them! Why cant they leave iot for another time? I hate it when the audience applauses in=between movements!
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • MrGongGong
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 18357

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                      Yes, poor artists. I feel sorry for them! Why cant they leave iot for another time? I hate it when the audience applauses in=between movements!
                      Bingo

                      this must be a record for the Proms being on over a week before someone starts on about applause between movements (as they did in Beethoven's day !)

                      "Music will show you what to do with your life" is exactly what Lemmy Was saying in this documentary http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012p5vv

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                      • Norfolk Born

                        #12
                        It's all down to the same moronic thinking that results in breathless athletes being interviewed seconds after they have breasted the tape - 'it's a live event, and we'll do an instant interview just in case the viewers didn't find it exciting enough, or are thinking about changing channels or switching off'.
                        The only solution for the TV viewer - unless and until the BBC can be persuaded to kick this particularly annoying habit - is to record every televised concert and fast forward thorough the unnecessary guff that increasingly clutters up every broadcast.

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                        • Frances_iom
                          Full Member
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 2415

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                          Bingo

                          this must be a record for the Proms being on over a week before someone starts on about applause between movements (as they did in Beethoven's day !)
                          :
                          much has changed since then including the way many listen to music - eg I raised the same point re desultory applause by certain obvious newbies at the first late night chamber concert - the applause sounded as tho it was just an automatic reaction and for me at least was an unwanted interruption - music 'stopped' they applaud no thought required - I'm well used to opera in which a well performed aria etc will get applauded and will join in when appropriate but not usually between movements of a chamber work - I suspect your 18thC + early 19th C audiences were responding to the freshness and originality of the work (it being then contemporary music) and on subsequent hearings probably waited until the conclusion to applaud

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            #14
                            I'm not planning to start the whole thing off again

                            but you are right

                            Its all about CONEXT

                            the Proms is and always has been a popular music festival
                            it's not the same as late night Feldman at HCMF
                            some people behave as if they own music (in all genres) and the simple fact is they don't !

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                            • Ferretfancy
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3487

                              #15
                              The hushed ending of the first movement of Bartok's 3rd Piano Concerto is surely intended to prepare the listener for the tension of the slow movement that follows. I do understand that this was the first time that some in the audience had heard the work, but to burst in with applause as they did the other night ruined a key moment. Some idiot starts and the rest follow like sheep, and it nearly always begins in the stalls and boxes.

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