Mendelssohn's Bach St Matthew Passion: R3 in Concert 13 February

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  • ardcarp
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    • Nov 2010
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    #16
    Me too. (Oh dear, you can't say that these days!!!)

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    • teamsaint
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      • Nov 2010
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      #17
      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
      Me too. (Oh dear, you can't say that these days!!!)
      Or use teabags, or donate to Oxfam, or..............
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • doversoul1
        Ex Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 7132

        #18
        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        Yes. On my way home from work in the car, and now at home.

        Enjoyed it so far, although the A345 isn't the ideal environment .

        You listening, DS?
        I missed the first part. Erbarme dich has just finished. It felt, and continues to feel sort of light. Matthew Passion tends to make me feel quite drained but not this performance. I don’t know why this is.

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        • gradus
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          • Nov 2010
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          #19
          I thought it sounded odd when I switched on the radio just now. Why did Felix bother?

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          • doversoul1
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            • Dec 2010
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            #20
            Originally posted by gradus View Post
            I thought it sounded odd when I switched on the radio just now. Why did Felix bother?
            A bit short too...

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            • ardcarp
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              • Nov 2010
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              #21
              Why did Felix bother?
              Lucky he did bother, because he was largely responsible for re-instating Bach's reputation in 19th C Germany...and of course here.
              One shouldn't judge his alterations and tweaks to the instrumentation in the light of today's performing practices.
              In many ways I feel that tonight's (recorded) performance is falling between two stools. Whilst tempi are not as brisk as some of today's HIPPsters, there is generally a 'slickness' which I guess wouldn't have been around in 19th century Berlin or Birmingham. A shame also that there was not more differentiation between the two choirs.
              A big WELL DONE to Jimmy Holliday who stood in at short notice. He is a member of the BBCS in addition to other small ensembles, but IMO has a great solo voice. (I heard him do a superb Verdi Requiem last year.)
              I have mentioned before (probably too many times) that I wish there was an INTERVAL TALK rather than other music. It would have been great to hear more about how Mendelssohn came to have a manuscript score of the St Matthew, and how he adapted it in order to be acceptable to conemporaneous tastes.
              This comes from Barenreater, talking about their 2009 Bach/Mendelssohn edition:





              Felix Mendelssohn performed Bach’s St Matthew Passion in Bellin in 1829 and 1841: on 11 March 1829, the Passion was heard again for the first time in 100 years. This performance marked the rediscovery of Bach as a composer, and a revival of his works began. As part of the “Historische Konzerte”, a performance of the Passion was given on 4 April 1841, Palm Sunday, in St Thomas’s Church, Leipzig, the place of its first performance.

              The circumstances of the Berlin concert are exceptionally well documented. Felix Mendelssohn is said to have been given a copy of the score of the St Matthew Passion for Christmas 1823 or for his birthday on 3 February 1824 by his grandmother.

              Rehearsals began on 2 February 1829 in the Singakademie. Orchestral rehearsals began on 6 March. The chorus comprised 158 singers. Mendelssohn conducted the performance from the grand piano with a baton. The performance was attended by the King with his court, the leading intellectuals of the day including Schleiermacher, Heine, Hegel, Spontini, Zelter and the best of Berlin society. On 21 March 1829, Bach’s birthday, a second performance took place. The work was heard a third time on Good Friday, 17 April 1829, conducted by Zelter.

              The music used for both performances is equally well documented, and is preserved in the Bodleian Library in Oxford. As well as the copy of the score already mentioned, all the instrumental parts for the 1829 and 1841 performances, together with a set of choral parts for both choruses, have survived.

              For the first performance, Mendelssohn made annotations in the score in pencil, and the few subsequent alterations for the second performance stand out in red coloured pencil and ordinary pencil as well as different handwriting styles.

              Felix Mendelssohn shortened the St Matthew Passion for the Berlin performance by ten arias, four accompagnato recitatives and six chorales. For the 1841 performance he then reinstated five movements.

              His basic idea with the arrangement was, on the one hand to produce a dramatic concentration of the content on the biblical text and, on the other hand, to stress the emotions in the sense of the romantic period, and to achieve this by omitting those parts which owed something to the baroque doctrine of affects and could barely be reconstructed a hundred years later.

              The secco recitatives which Mendelssohn himself had accompanied at the piano in 1829, were allocated to two cellos (using double-stopping) and a double bass in the 1841 performance. It was precisely those recitatives which drive the content of the plot forward that Mendelssohn particularly arranged. As the copy of the score available to him contained no figuring, he entered the harmonisation of the recitatives which he desired in his own hand, his harmonisation differing fundamentally from Bach’s in many places. The occasional fermatas over individual notes, tempo indications, instructions regarding dynamics, articulation and accents, most notably in the part of Christus, also enhance the concentration of content. Mendelssohn’s arrangement is, in other words, designed with a view to bringing out the crucial moments, to give expression to human emotions in a heightened form.

              Mendelssohn’s tempo instructions for the turba choruses should also be understood in this context. His aim was to portray the dramatic plot pointedly with people of “flesh and blood”. The opening and final choruses of the first part, “O Mensch, bewein dein Sünde groß”, contain most careful markings in the romantic style.

              Bach’s orchestral scoring has been altered in a few movements. The use of clarinets, replacing the low oboes (oboe d’amore and oboe da caccia), is striking. Mendelssohn no longer gave the organ a prominent function, as the secco recitatives were either accompanied by him at the piano, or by the cellos and double bass. The organ was used in the chorales and at selected points in a few arias and choruses as an additional tone colour.

              The edition now published by Bärenreiter comprises:

              full score, including the two versions from 1829 and 1841; Critical Commentary, a list of variant readings and a concordance to facilitate the performance of both versions
              vocal score for soloists and choir
              complete orchestral material

              With Mendelssohn’s arrangement, a version is now available lasting just over two hours, which provides an interesting alternative for present day audiences.

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              • ardcarp
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                • Nov 2010
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                #22
                A345 isn't the ideal environment
                ...but at that pitch, it makes the evangelist's part a lot easier.

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                • doversoul1
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                  • Dec 2010
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                  ...but at that pitch, it makes the evangelist's part a lot easier.
                  Quote from your previous post
                  Mendelssohn’s arrangement is, in other words, designed with a view to bringing out the crucial moments, to give expression to human emotions in a heightened form.
                  Does this apply to modern audience to whom many performances of the full version are available? Is this arrangement still worth performing other than academic/historical interest? I must say when the final chorus came in, it felt rather like listening to Essential Classic (What? Is this it?)….

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                  • ardcarp
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    Is this arrangement still worth performing other than academic/historical interest?
                    I'd say it's worth giving it the occasional outing for that very reason. Same goes for Messiah arr. Mozart.
                    It's a sobering thought that Mendelssohn was born less than 60 years after Bach's death. Make what you will of that!

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                    • BBMmk2
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #25
                      I’d like to hear a good modern recording of it. The broadcast should fulfill that, despite the BBC Singers being involved!
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        I’d like to hear a good modern recording of it.
                        See Vinty's #11, Bbm for two modern recordings, both BBC Singers-less.
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                        • BBMmk2
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          See Vinty's #11, Bbm for two modern recordings, both BBC Singers-less.
                          Thanks!
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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